BYU is a joke - Two 24-yr old BYU athletes won 2021 NCAA XC

If missions were an advantage, I’ve always been curious why more colleges don’t adapt these questionable tactics. There are plenty of faith based schools out there that could come up some alleged scheme to game the system if that’s what you think BYU has intentionally done.

If a coach cared about winning, and knew that there was a legal advantage to get their athletes more mature and older than everyone else, why don’t we see more people do it? Come on! If this is a real advantage that’s been going on for decades, why doesn’t anyone else try it.

Where is your faith in science? If you believe taking 2 years off training to age and mature will make you faster, quit complaining and go do it. Join the peace Corp or enter the military.

Every year we hear this stupid argument but no else really believes it’s an advantage enough to try it. Until I see people actually trying what they poke holes in, I don’t think you really believe what you say.

You can argue that many just want to put their head down and get through school so they can brag that they got their masters at 24 and got a real job. Getting a degree can make you book smart. Serving a mission, donating your time to a good cause or serving in the military are life enriching and educating experiences. Don’t make comments that graduating from college 2 years earlier than someone with different life experience makes you superior to anyone.

You make the choice for your self.

So again, if you sincerely believe that there is a two year advantage, why do people who seem to care so much about who wins and loses, not do something about it.

Either you’re making an excuse because you don’t like the outcome or you don’t believe it enough to have your own faith in your theory to try it.

Taking two years off did not help my running, but was one of the best things I’ve ever done in my life.

I love running and I loved the people I met while living in another country and culture. I’m glad I got to both. I’m grateful to see that the NCAA rules committee allows student athletes these types of experiences - as it fits in the big picture of developing young men and women to make the world a better place.

If teams and individuals don’t start taking time off to increase their chances of winning, then I don’t think you’re really serious about the accusations you keep seeing on letsrun - every time someone from BYU does something praiseworthy.

Shout out to two 24 year old BYU athletes who have done things with their life most of us would dream of.

But the Jesus Christ you describe is also not the Jesus Christ of the Bible, or at least not most of it. The Jesus you describe is the agreed upon interpretation of the early Church fathers, developed over the course of a couple hundred years after the death of Jesus. No Gospel mentions the Trinity -- kind of odd for such an "important" aspect of Christianity. The earliest written Gospels -- Mark, Matthew, and Luke -- never state that Jesus is God. In fact they give the distinct impression that he definitively did not view himself as God.

There are many debates as to what the historical Jesus was really like. We will never know. But there is one thing that seems absolutely clear about the Jesus in the Bible, and it is not his his viewpoint on the Trinity or the Book of Mormon or whether Conor Mantz should still be running NCAAs. He didn't know about any of those things. Rather, it was message of love. Love your neighbor, love your enemy, love God, love lepers, love the poor, love those not of your religion or ethnicity. It is pretty simple to understand actually, but much harder to follow.

Christianity is a cult.

most people's definition of a cult is that it's the church they don't attend.

galenruppisjacked wrote:

Is Whitni Orton a joke? She didnt serve a mission and is a normal senior like everyone else. Why did she win the title?

The women have won 5 national titles...they aren't serving missions like the men....

Why is that?

Because the LDS church discovered that after 2 years away many of the women got lonely and became bi or lesbian with their mission partners.

There's a film about it

How does that work? I thought those were things that you had to be born with. Now you are telling us that people can choose.

John 10:30 "I and the Father are One", John 8:58 "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" (for this one the "I Am" is the same I Am, God spoke to Moses in Exodus.

It is a typical argument from Mormons that Jesus never explicitly anything about the Trinity. It's mainly because they do not know the Old Testament. Anecdotally it makes sense as most Mormons I know don't even know the story of Noah and the ark. The Jews knew that the Messiah would be God among us (Immanuel).

And yes, Jesus is distinct from God the Father, which is why Jesus made it a point to not make himself equal with the Father, especially while He was on earth.

Aah yes, the "Jesus was a love guru" nonsense. Yes, Jesus tells us to love our neighbors and God. Love does not mean we should let our brothers continue in error. Jesus did not come to tell us to just live, laugh, love, but to die on the cross for the sins of those who believe. That was the mission, the cross.

Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, and any mormon president/preacher since the beginning is cursed. As Paul wrote in Galatians "8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."

The book of Mormon does not align with the Bible. It preaches a different Christ and a different gospel.

nah, you're wrong... you can pretty much make up anything you want. if you find a few other people that like what you make up, great.. it's now a "church".

Anybody realize that 2 mormons won the individual NCAA XC titles? This used to be a running site, not an anti religios site. Do you bash muslims when they win? How about atheists?