weakarm wrote:
https://www.usada.org/athletes/results/u-s-postal-service-pro-cycling-team-investigation/Red tracks wrote:
I think Armstrong was clean. The US has a great history in endurance sports and Armstrong was an age group champion and he tried really hard and his mom pushed him and there was a lot of pressure for him to be clean. He wasn't like those cheaters from the bad countries. I know he confessed, but I still believe in him.
Whoosh.
Nor-Lunde wrote:
Nor-way wrote:
Svare på norsk også da din sviker. Nordmann vinner gull og det første du gjør er å slenge piss og påstå det er juks?
Du er en skam og en taper som i mangel av å oppnå noe selv slenger fullstendig oppdiktet dritt.
The poster wrote:
"The Ingebrigtsens do have asthma and you could find out in about 5 seconds by searching for Ingebrigtsen + astma. No point denying it, the question is whether it matters."
Why so angry "nor-way"? This is neither lies as you claim nor is the poster accusing them of cheating. He is simply stating a fact that is true for 2/3 ingebrigtsens.
Hva pokker gjør du her Nor-Lunde? El Guerrouj had 'asthma' too the year he won his coveted Olympic gold.
There’s a lot of never was haters on this site. They either say they don’t have the East African genetics or that someone doped. They won’t admit that they simply weren’t dedicated and smart enough to develop like Jakob has.
He’s spent his youth doing superb training. Focusing on developing long term. Staying incredibly consistent. Avoiding the high school over-racing and gut busting workout trap. Also the NCAA lack of long term development trap.
Jakob would of win the 5k and 10k had he chosen to run. By the end of this decade he will be the GOAT.
Definitely the best of his generation so far , but not yet the GOAT.
An imperious performance in the heat of the night and of the moment.
And the keyboard wannabes can keep posting he's guilty until proving guilty of doping , but posting whiny hate truly is miserable way to spend what remains of your "life".
Zonatas wrote:
Definitely the best of his generation so far , but not yet the GOAT.
An imperious performance in the heat of the night and of the moment.
And the keyboard wannabes can keep posting he's guilty until proving guilty of doping , but posting whiny hate truly is miserable way to spend what remains of your "life".
+1
Tim did most of the work pushing the pace right from the fun. He got silver but he was not going to leave it to change and let some kicker win in 3:40 something. Centro run in 3:50 , in part, because none of the sub 3:30 had the guts to push it out the way Tim just did.
Kev2 wrote:
Tim did most of the work pushing the pace right from the fun. He got silver but he was not going to leave it to change and let some kicker win in 3:40 something. Centro run in 3:50 , in part, because none of the sub 3:30 had the guts to push it out the way Tim just did.
Actually Jakob took the field out in 56, causing Tim to realize he was deadly serious so he decided he’d better see if he control the race and Jakob after that. If Tim hadn’t taken the lead Jakob would likely have still kept the pressure on running close to the same pace that Tim laid down. The two fastest guys made sure it came down to who was better on the day.
Coevett wrote:
Everything people kept saying about him here have been proven wrong.
He has no kick.
That's not wrong. He just didn't need to kick.
Good strategy making sure it went out in an honest 56. If Tim hadn't took over and kept it going, slightly faster even, Jakob would have done the same. So it came down to who can or can't run a 3:28, which is Jakob, Tim, and maybe someone else on a PR day, and Tim didn't quite have the steam.
Luv2Run wrote:
Can we lay off the GOAT thing when a person wins one medal?
Especially on that new track surface, with the energy return carbon plates in every shoe, and everybody on a thyroid medication.
Jeg gir faen i det wrote:
Nor-Lunde wrote:
The poster wrote:
"The Ingebrigtsens do have asthma and you could find out in about 5 seconds by searching for Ingebrigtsen + astma. No point denying it, the question is whether it matters."
Why so angry "nor-way"? This is neither lies as you claim nor is the poster accusing them of cheating. He is simply stating a fact that is true for 2/3 ingebrigtsens.
Hva pokker gjør du her Nor-Lunde? El Guerrouj had 'asthma' too the year he won his coveted Olympic gold.
Im showing the sier «nor-way» that the user he is attacking neither talked trash nor accused ingebrigtsens of doping.
Why so angry?
HobbyJOG wrote:
1- He beats Cheruiyot
2 - He broke his 1500 PR
3- He broke the Olympics 1500M Best time
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I still have in mind all the people who were like " Ingrebgitsten will never beat Cheruiyot " / " Ingebrigtsen never wins championships "... LOL
I don’t understand how people just discredit Timmy like he’s nothing. Like do people like seeing white people run fast? Is that why you guys have hard ons for mcsweyn and Jakob? I mean fast times are cool to see.
The best in the world had a bad day and got second. Jakob has a bad day and gets beat by Katir, who y’all immediately call dirty. I’m just trying to understand the thought process.
Aaleby wrote:
Red tracks wrote:
So endurance sports=running. What? Bahamas and Barbados are good at swimming. Can't wait to see how they do in the distances on the track. Italian and French cyclists. . . just put them on the track. . .
My annoyance is with the people who think the Norwegians are clean and the Africans dirty. If you think they are equally suspicious or not suspicious, fine. But if you think Norway's non-running endurance based tradition suggests the Norwegians are clean but that Kenya and Ethiopia's running tradition can be ignored, then you have obvious prejudices.
Did Bahamas have Ingrid Kristiansen, Grethe Waitz, Vebjørn Rodal? Is it really that hard to understand the similarity between distances on track and cross country-skiing compared to swimming? Do you think the Italian cyclists shares knowledge in a thransparent and systematic way with other sports like we do in Norway through the Faculty of sports and Olympiatoppen?
A runner from a rich nation whose wealth is based on petroleum and the attendant technology is inherently more suspicious than a runner from a poor nation, not the other way around. The reason so many Moroccans and Kenyans get caught isn't that they dope more, it's that they don't dope as well as folks from rich countries. They do it on their own with low quality junk peddled by quacks rather than getting the good stuff from real medical professionals and developed organizations.
I'm not saying Jakob is a doper. I have no reason to think he is or isn't, but he's certainly at least as likely to be one as is someone like Katir.
https://images.booksense.com/images/737/748/9786057748737.jpgCoevett wrote:
Everything people kept saying
To HELL with tactics!!! I watch it to see the SWIFTEST!!!!
vaccinated wrote:
Aaleby wrote:
Did Bahamas have Ingrid Kristiansen, Grethe Waitz, Vebjørn Rodal? Is it really that hard to understand the similarity between distances on track and cross country-skiing compared to swimming? Do you think the Italian cyclists shares knowledge in a thransparent and systematic way with other sports like we do in Norway through the Faculty of sports and Olympiatoppen?
A runner from a rich nation whose wealth is based on petroleum and the attendant technology is inherently more suspicious than a runner from a poor nation, not the other way around. The reason so many Moroccans and Kenyans get caught isn't that they dope more, it's that they don't dope as well as folks from rich countries. They do it on their own with low quality junk peddled by quacks rather than getting the good stuff from real medical professionals and developed organizations.
I'm not saying Jakob is a doper. I have no reason to think he is or isn't, but he's certainly at least as likely to be one as is someone like Katir.
That highly depends. Everyone can run. You can even do it barefoot to some degree. That makes it possible for a poor kid from Kenya to turn his or her life totally around and become affluent.
In Norway its almost impossible to not have enough money for a great life. You fully decide your own destiny. In contrast to poor countries in Africa where poverty is the predetermined destiny for close to everyone.
The inner motivation simple cant be compared. Gjert never had to feel any kind of responsibility to do whatever it took for his sons to become great stars. They were born in the oil capital of Norway and would most certainly gave gained atleast the average of the salary in Norway no matter what they choosed to become ($ 75k).
Unfortunatly it aint that easy for a poor kid from Kenya. And thats where you can find the real difference in motivation for starting with dope. For most Norwegian the risk of getting caught will be greater than the gain. You will be persona non grata as it would have destroyed the foundation for top sports in this country for years to come if a national hero was found to be a filthy cheater. In Kenya the possible gain will always outlive the risk of getting caught. Simple because of the money and the opportunities it provides.
And in the case of Jakob Ingebrigtsen; you wont find an athlete from Kenya where it has been possible to follow his development through the lence of a TV-camera from the age of 11. The transparency is a huge huge difference. In general, Norway compared to Kenya and with Jakob Ingebrigtsen in special. Wouldnt it be totally crazy for Gjert to allow the national broadcaster to follow close to every step if the family in the same time took dope in the shadows?
A talent to be sure. Some of the “hate” is guilt by association.
He’d be easier to like if he wasn’t from a family of suspected drug cheats who race dirty.
Aaleby wrote:
And in the case of Jakob Ingebrigtsen; you wont find an athlete from Kenya where it has been possible to follow his development through the lence of a TV-camera from the age of 11.
People in Africa dont even find what to eat.
Why Mo Farah and Sifan Hassan become suddenly legends when they got more support in Europe.
This is the right side you should compare.
In the 1500m heats of the Olympic Games there were at least 6 to 7 African runners potentially better than Jacob.
Red tracks wrote:
Just say that you also believe there a lot of clean Norwegian and Ethiopian and Kenyan champions. And probably a lot of doped European and African champions. That is totally reasonable.
But if you believe in the Norwegians but none of the East Africans, then you have an obvious double standard. And are a miniperson, whatever that is.
Yes × 1000000. And that is exactly the position of racist imbeciles like coevet
vaccinated wrote:
Aaleby wrote:
Did Bahamas have Ingrid Kristiansen, Grethe Waitz, Vebjørn Rodal? Is it really that hard to understand the similarity between distances on track and cross country-skiing compared to swimming? Do you think the Italian cyclists shares knowledge in a thransparent and systematic way with other sports like we do in Norway through the Faculty of sports and Olympiatoppen?
A runner from a rich nation whose wealth is based on petroleum and the attendant technology is inherently more suspicious than a runner from a poor nation, not the other way around. The reason so many Moroccans and Kenyans get caught isn't that they dope more, it's that they don't dope as well as folks from rich countries. They do it on their own with low quality junk peddled by quacks rather than getting the good stuff from real medical professionals and developed organizations.
I'm not saying Jakob is a doper. I have no reason to think he is or isn't, but he's certainly at least as likely to be one as is someone like Katir.
Since when is Spain a “poor country”?
This is just drivel. Americans cheat all the time even though they don't have to (according to your logic above). Barry Bonds was rich and already a great baseball player before he doped. Lance Armstrong risked the good faith of the cancer community and the whole world. And he lived an apparently transparent life. All the baseball players who cheated had no need to cheat. And what about all the insider traders and other criminals in every country. They don't need to do it.
Do people not steal or lie or cheat in Norway? Is the risk of getting caught so great that no one does anything wrong?
Your statement that "in poor countries in Africa . . . poverty is the predetermined destiny for close to everyone" is insane prejudiced rot.
Your stereotyping of Norway as a heaven of wealth and morality and African countries as hells of poverty and immorality sounds like it comes from 1890s Belgian colonizer.
