Katir is the most obvious doper of all time

I do follow cycling. The examples you are citing are from the past (although regarding cycling Spain was just the average country, check Belgium, France via Festina or Italy, with Ferrara Unuversity. We had Eufemiano and Pradilla though). In t n field we were probably in the podium of dirt, producing gold medallist, etc. After that, people started to get busted (Marta Dominguez, Paquillo, Julio Rey, Reyes Estevez althiugh he was cleared but cmon) or get retired (Cacho, Anton).so things got cleaner. Just en examole, Katir ran 3# 3000 m in Spanish history. #1 and #2 were sanctioned bc of PEDs.

The new generation was 2 steps behind and after Puerto (I agree much more could be done and probably dopers were protected), Spain stopped being the paradise for international doping. Coincidentally, we stopped being relevant at the internstional level in TnF until now. (Not saying people are not doping anymore, just that things are not what they used to be, i have 0 interest in "defending my mitherland" or sth).

Katir doesn't appear to be registered in Athletics Integrity Unit registered testing pool. A couple of his teammates under coach Mostaza are. So what. However, three quarters of the sub-3:30 guys in the Monaco 1500m are registered in that testing pool. Circumstantial? Yep. But you wanted something.

https://www.athleticsintegrity.org/know-the-process/registered-testing-pool?athleteName=KATIR&country=&sex=&discipline=

https://www.athleticsintegrity.org/downloads/pdfs/know-the-process/en/WORLD-ATHLETICS-TESTING-POOL-Q3-2021.pdf

KaareV wrote:

maaaaaybe... wrote:

I want to believe. However, he had plenty of problems to become a Spanish citizen, he made it like 1 or 2 years ago. He's been a national champion as well. From that to running 3.28 there is a bit of a stretch though

Please, inform us. "Plenty of problems"? None, whatsoever. He became a citizen when 18, since his parents were Maroccan. That's how it is in Spain, if you are not born there. Not like the US. Why do you write such stuff?

I will happily inform you, but you could have done it yourself:

I would be more humble and wouldnt try to correct people impolitely without knowledge though

I've twice named Mostaza as a coach. That's incorrect. He's an athlete representative for Katir and four others, including a nigerian.

[quote]wolf off gladiators wrote:

is he a more obvious doper than rashid ramzi? than naser?

/quote]

Rashid Ramzi?

Let see here:

https://i.ibb.co/LngbVCw/01.jpg

Isn't this the worldathletics.org official page.

He has an elegant profil.

What do you want to prove? you are the messiah and others are evils?

Laura Muir progression in the 800m in the last two years:

2021 1:56.73 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 09 JUL 2021

2020 1:58.84 Mestský Stadion, Ostrava (CZE) 08 SEP 2020

2019 1:58.42 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 12 JUL 2019

2018 1:59.09 Bislett Stadion, Oslo (NOR) 07 JUN 2018

2017 1:58.69 Stade Olympique de la Pontaise, Lausanne (SUI) 06 JUL 2017

2016 2:00.57 Montbéliard (FRA) 01 JUN 2016

2015 2:00.42 Alexander Stadium, Birmingham (GBR) 07 JUN 2015

2014 2:00.67 Alexander Stadium, Birmingham (GBR) 24 AUG 2014

2013 2:00.80 Luzhniki, Moskva (RUS) 15 AUG 2013

2012 2:07.52 Loughborough (GBR) 20 MAY 2012

2011 2:15.55 Edinburgh (GBR) 19 JUN 2011

2010 2:17.94 Edinburgh (GBR) 09 MAY 2010

Outdoor

maaaaaybe.. wrote:

KaareV wrote:

Please, inform us. "Plenty of problems"? None, whatsoever. He became a citizen when 18, since his parents were Maroccan. That's how it is in Spain, if you are not born there. Not like the US. Why do you write such stuff?

I will happily inform you, but you could have done it yourself:

https://www.laopiniondemurcia.es/deportes/2019/03/04/llevo-pidiendo-nacionalidad-tres-anos-34008836.html

I would be more humble and wouldnt try to correct people impolitely without knowledge though

This is how KaareV works. He is rude and impolite in many of his posts. He thinks he knows everything already, and only graces us with his superior knowledge. Probably just another angry norwegian skier with asthma problems.

Passant wrote:

Laura Muir progression in the 800m in the last two years:

2021 1:56.73 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 09 JUL 2021

I said I'd propose to her once she hit 1:56. 'Tis the season.

Passant wrote:

Laura Muir progression in the 800m in the last two years:

2021 1:56.73 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 09 JUL 2021

2020 1:58.84 Mestský Stadion, Ostrava (CZE) 08 SEP 2020

2019 1:58.42 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 12 JUL 2019

2018 1:59.09 Bislett Stadion, Oslo (NOR) 07 JUN 2018

2017 1:58.69 Stade Olympique de la Pontaise, Lausanne (SUI) 06 JUL 2017

2016 2:00.57 Montbéliard (FRA) 01 JUN 2016

2015 2:00.42 Alexander Stadium, Birmingham (GBR) 07 JUN 2015

2014 2:00.67 Alexander Stadium, Birmingham (GBR) 24 AUG 2014

2013 2:00.80 Luzhniki, Moskva (RUS) 15 AUG 2013

2012 2:07.52 Loughborough (GBR) 20 MAY 2012

2011 2:15.55 Edinburgh (GBR) 19 JUN 2011

2010 2:17.94 Edinburgh (GBR) 09 MAY 2010

Outdoor

What's your point? She's not an 800 specialist, her 800 times are simply lining up with her 1500 times.

You want suspicious progression? Try guess who this athlete is.

2019 3:54.99 Khalifa International Stadium, Doha (QAT) 05 OCT 2019

2018 3:57.34 Stade Olympique de la Pontaise, Lausanne (SUI) 05 JUL 2018

2017 4:06.22 Alexander Stadium, Birmingham (GBR) 20 AUG 2017

2016 4:03.39 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 28 MAY 2016

2015 4:09.62 Liège (BEL) 15 JUL 2015

2014 4:10.89 Victoria (CAN) 08 JUL 2014

2013 4:13.64 Tempe, AZ (USA) 05 APR 2013

2012 4:22.95 Tempe, AZ (USA) 24 MAR 2012

2020 14:23.92 Jesuit High School Track, Portland, OR (USA) 10 JUL 2020

2019 15:15.50 Drake Stadium, Des Moines, IA (USA) 28 JUL 2019

2018 14:34.45 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 21 JUL 2018

2017 15:00.37 Olympic Stadium, London (GBR) 10 AUG 2017

2016 15:06.14 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 10 JUL 2016

2015 15:49.72 Eugene, OR (USA) 13 JUN 2015

2014 16:11.63 Pullman, WA (USA) 18 MAY 2014

2013 16:15.85 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 12 MAY 2013

Educate yourself on the history of doping violations with distance athletes in our sport. You are making yourself look like a petulant child throwing around accusations of xenophobia.

maaaaaybe.. wrote:

KaareV wrote:

Please, inform us. "Plenty of problems"? None, whatsoever. He became a citizen when 18, since his parents were Maroccan. That's how it is in Spain, if you are not born there. Not like the US. Why do you write such stuff?

I will happily inform you, but you could have done it yourself:

https://www.laopiniondemurcia.es/deportes/2019/03/04/llevo-pidiendo-nacionalidad-tres-anos-34008836.html

I would be more humble and wouldnt try to correct people impolitely without knowledge though

As far as I can understand this I owe you an apology. I stand corrected.

A new level of incompetence has entered the boards. Religion is not a race. You cannot throw out the race card because you like to. Anyone of any race can be Muslim. I know caucasians that are Muslim. It is offensive to the Islamic faith to categorize their religion as a race. This really just makes you look bad for conveying that you affiliate one specific race with Islam. Shame on you for that. Open your mind and educate yourself.

DwideSchrude wrote:

A new level of incompetence has entered the boards. Religion is not a race. You cannot throw out the race card because you like to. Anyone of any race can be Muslim. I know caucasians that are Muslim. It is offensive to the Islamic faith to categorize their religion as a race. This really just makes you look bad for conveying that you affiliate one specific race with Islam. Shame on you for that. Open your mind and educate yourself.

The poster stated that Katir is a doper because he is Muslim. I'll allow you to say it is not 'racist' as Islam is not a race, but it is unfounded and deeply offensive.

The low level of incompetence was displayed by the poster claiming that history shows Muslims are the worst offenders of doping, when in fact it is quite clearly Christians or those of no religion.

Tying doping to religion is idiotic.

KaareV wrote:

As far as I can understand this I owe you an apology. I stand corrected.

Accepted. Regards

The guy he replied to was the one who brought up religion as if it helps his case. You didn't seem to care then and now you're even making multiple posts singling out Christian runners yourself. Clearly only some religions are off limits in a negative context.

Passant wrote:

[quote]wolf off gladiators wrote:

is he a more obvious doper than rashid ramzi? than naser?

/quote]

Rashid Ramzi?

Let see here:

https://i.ibb.co/LngbVCw/01.jpg

Isn't this the worldathletics.org official page.

He has an elegant profil.

What do you want to prove? you are the messiah and others are evils?

This guy consistently defends Ramzi. I never thought this forum would reach the level that even Ramzi would be consistently defended.

Perhaps ex-runner would like to defend Ramzi as well? The taboo has been broken. If ex-runner praises Ramzi, perhaps Canova will step in and claim that EPO doesn't even work on elite Moroccans. Then Rojo can start a petition to have Ramzi reinstated.

On Katir that article on him gives some important context. It seems before 2019-20 he was a student basically doing everything on his own, poor facilities (no track), only supported by club, not yet a Spaniard etc. Now after he gets some citizenship, fast times, sponsorship, training at a national camp (altitude), a pandemic year to train… I’m not saying he’s not doping but this is more akin to the late bloomer who goes all in (eg Andrew Wheating) than the suspicious late bloomer (eg Shelby Houlihan). Of course Katirs rapid ascent and heights remain suspicious for any set of circumstances. It’s still much more plausible than Ramzi so I’d disagree with the OP.

Here you go:

Mo Farah jumped from 3:34 to 3:28:81 when aged of 29 (in the space of 1 year)

And nearly everybody here thinks he doped. You seriously choose Ramzi and Farah as examples of clean athletic progression 'like' Katir???