LETESENBET GIDEY RESPONDS TO SIFAN HASSAN AND BREAKS 10K WR, RUNS 29:01.03!!

2600 bro wrote:

If someone training the middle of a civil war in Ethiopia can get access to drugs and doping guidance to evade drug tests then I am 100% sure every American and Western European is doping too.

You guys are hilarious.

Drugs are easily obtained. Doping control is harder. Especially in the middle of a civil war, as you say.

Can you run those times?

hey kitty girl wrote:

Wait.... is this a joke or is this real? A woman has run 29:01?

Ugh...and a guy has run nearly 3 minutes faster. Why is it far fetched that the BEST woman ever would be within 3 minutes of the best man ever? These are outlier talents.

d in the top corner wrote:

If it is just the shoes why did she lap everyone else in the race? What we are witnessing is late 90s style epo use. Throw in lights and shoes for good measure and we have sub 29 performances.

Ok. Your logic is just as flawed. If it's EPO, then why in the hell aren't hear teammates/training partners close to her. She LAPPED everyone in the race but 2nd place.

That's why I don't think drugs. I think she's an amazing talent (and is helped by the shoes). If it's widespread drugs, then you get what you saw ith the Chinese - tons of people super fast. Or the Russians. Here we've got one supreme talent who has been a supreme talent for a LONG time - she won the junior girls race Twice - doing it.

If you would have predicted a WR based on teen exploits - you'd pick USain Bolt in the springs. Same thing here for women's distance. (Yes the same is true for Asbel Kiprop - i know that0.

When I see Gidey, I don't think drugs at all. Geoff Burns came on to our podcast and all but predicted this stuff and now everyone is acting shocked by it.

Sad truth wrote:

I hope not and I doubt it but the point is you cannot know that anyone is clean.

I think some people were/are clean but the problem is you don't know. You cannot say with much certainty that someone was clean. So long as there are magic drugs that make you win, there will always be suspicion over whoever wins. . . .

Ugh genius ... that is why they save samples so they can test them later. The record won't stand if the sample fails future tests as technology improves.

A lapped runner collapsed at the finish line right as Gidey was finishing. Nobody came to the downed lady for several minutes it looked like.

There weren't "tons" of people running fast in China. The top runners were a mere handful. Again, the very best from the E Bloc - where doping was systemic - were also a handful. But if the best amongst the crop of available talent are doping you will see outlier performances. Doping controls are relatively poor in African countries, so we are seeing from them exceptional performances at every distance. This was so in China in the '90's. But with skilled guidance, athletes can beat doping anywhere. Jamaica, Holland, the US - maybe Norway. For those with an experience of history, the boom in recent performances brings back memories of the E Bloc performances in the 70's and 80's - and also in American sprints in the 80's and 90's. They also follow a year in which testing has been at it poorest for decades. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Of course, most of these athletes are super-talented - that goes without saying at this level. But the boost given by the very best technology - and I'm not talking about something as mundane as what you put on your feet - that can transform human physiology - is pushing more and more performances into the stratosphere. Not everyone is doped, and those that are doping don't all use the same stuff necessarily - there is quite a selection out there - and they don't all respond equally. But amongst the thousands of runners remain a handful who are transformed way beyond what their fellow competitors experience. And they are rewriting the record books. The shoes may make some difference - maybe a few seconds over 10k - but the most obvious conclusion is that athletes today are way way ahead of antidoping.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

hey kitty girl wrote:

Wait.... is this a joke or is this real? A woman has run 29:01?

Ugh...and a guy has run nearly 3 minutes faster. Why is it far fetched that the BEST woman ever would be within 3 minutes of the best man ever? These are outlier talents.

That would be so, if both are doping. I would expect they are.

In cycling one specially prepared teammate would lap the others. And you are comparing state sponsored programs and individualized doping regimes.

If these records are clean then we might hypothesize that the best doped performances would be 25xmins for the men and 28xmins for the women. Really?

Armstronglivs wrote:

If these records are clean then we might hypothesize that the best doped performances would be 25xmins for the men and 28xmins for the women. Really?

Weird angle. Do I think the 10k WRs are doped? 80-90% confidence. Do I think 25:xx and 28:xx would be achieved if these athletes were able to dope freely, with total impunity? For sure I do.

Star wrote:

Remember when Wang Junxia’s 29:31 record seemed incredible and unbeatable?

I still don’t think it was a full 10,000m because of final 3k of 8:21.

i think the blowjoes need to track her down and get a full on interview, she lives in the states now right? it would be interesting if she talked about training, what she thought of those races etc....if she has any "health" issues from the doping etc.

from the bit i ever read on that team was the insane hard runs ALL the time, and a nazi SS officer of a coach who beat the runners if they fell off pace etc.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

If these records are clean then we might hypothesize that the best doped performances would be 25xmins for the men and 28xmins for the women. Really?

Weird angle. Do I think the 10k WRs are doped? 80-90% confidence. Do I think 25:xx and 28:xx would be achieved if these athletes were able to dope freely, with total impunity? For sure I do.

My estimation of what the doped records would be is based on the premise assumed by many here that the present records are clean. I don't think they are.

Women's swimming records now are faster than what Mark Spitz swam in 1972 . . . So maybe not so crazy that women's running records are what men ran in 1940s-1950s.

Chef Gordon Ramzi wrote:

Something needs to be done here. Certain nations are just being allowed to dope with impunity. Remember the absurd Chinese records we used to mock a scant decade ago? Now women are closing their 10ks with sub-14:20 5ks. Just so obscenely fraudulent.

Bwahaha. Go back 2 months ago when multiple Americans were time trailing low 27s Letsrun be like "What a great time to be a track fan!". Now that dark skins are doing it its fraud, obscene, tragedy!

5 years ago and 3 of the top 5 women's 10000m times in 2016 were Kenyan.

Kenyan testing improved, WADA lab set up in Nairobi, Kenyan parliament makes it illegal to sell EPO over the counter.

2021 - top 7 women's 10000m times Ethiopian runners.

It's not rocket science is it?

another perspective wrote:

14:18 2nd 5k???

That's absolutely ridiculous. The W5000 was only won in 14:13...

Could've gone sub 29 if she didn't have to overtake 3 backmarkers on the final bend.

yeah ---looked so smooth doing it--agree-could have broken 29 if she didn't have to weave out into lane 2 after the final bend!

2008 - Americans win zero distance medals

2009 - Salazar introduces they grey zone.

2016 - Americans win medals at 800, 1600, stepple, 5000, marathon.

It's not rocket science is it?

Shoes know no borders. wrote:

2008 - Americans win zero distance medals

2009 - Salazar introduces they grey zone.

2016 - Americans win medals at 800, 1600, stepple, 5000, marathon.

It's not rocket science is it?

+1

Exactly.