Mo Ahmed - Avila fall : Ahmed should be sanctioned in some way

Ahmed didn't really have a "line" to begin with because he was crowded by Avila and Wynne pretty fiercely. He was then pinballed back and forth.

Anyway, it's been a fun discussion lads, but I'll be moving on to more productive things now.

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Jack Daniels Calculator wrote:

What you are evidently failing to comprehend, is that by the time we actually can see the athletes from the front view, Mo already has his arms way out in front of, and appearing to push off-of, both athletes to his right and left. Consequently, trying to assess anything Avila does from that point on is a reaction to what Mo has already done; we unfortunately, do not have footage prior to that.

Moh just having his arms out is not a problem, it's the unfortunate consequence of a bunched start line.

This is a problem for the bunched-up athletes, except for Centro, who somehow seems to have plenty of room on the line.

We have inconclusive evidence due to lack of video footage before the Mo/Avila/Wynne confrontation at the start, and yet from the very beginning in this thread you were making such a definitive case that it was all Avila's fault. This is clear evidence that it is YOU that has shown extreme bias in trying interpret and sway public opinion on what happened.

Wisco boys are tough.

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hes guilty of something wrote:

Avila kept his line the whole time

In your first frame you see arms of all runners tangled up. That is “normal” especially with this many runners. Ahmed is to the left of the lane line if you adjust for the turn of the lane

In the second frame, Ahmed is to the right of the lane line, clearly encroaching on Avila

Wynn and Ahmed are definitely all over each other at the start. Wynn has some extra clearance on his left.

Ahmed didn't really have a "line" to begin with because he was crowded by Avila and Wynne pretty fiercely. He was then pinballed back and forth.

Anyway, it's been a fun discussion lads, but I'll be moving on to more productive things now.

Yeah, what’s done is done

The only other thing worth mentioning is the guy in green with bib #13 who is crossing over pretty aggressively and actually influences Avila slightly inward. #13 begins to move inward early, causing bib #12 to slow and concede ground. Essentially, #12 did what Ahmed should have done

Rodger McDowell wrote:

rojo wrote:

I just watched it again. No way should he be sancioned.

https://twitter.com/OutofAthletics/status/1393652241911873536

They want you to believe Ahmed is at fault moving back and to the left. But there’s no way his movement alone caused him to fall back and to the left. There must have been something else... in front of him and to the right.

If you can not identify what caused him to do it (as per your comment) then all that matters is that he moved left and right and dragged another athlete down.

Case closed.

Alysia Montano was on the grassy knoll!

This is comical.

You do realize Avila pushing Mo, or more like slapping him, is in retaliation to moves hands grabbing.

It looks to me like Avila is giving himittle bumps to say "get off of me".

Then the cutting in early observation is interesting as well. Will Paulson is cutting in cutting off Avila. So avila steps in to the left, and actually has a lot of room. But Mo doesn't want the gap to close, so he grabs Avila and pulls him down.

https://ibb.co/vYQd1Cf

https://ibb.co/GTy7mqw

How is this conversation still going on? Regardless of whatever happen later down the line this is all a chain reaction set into motion from Avila being overly aggressive off the line and knocking Ahmed off balance. That isn't typical racing

Bigger issue was too many people on the starting line

The only issue is the starter failed to recall he race.

A blatant miss.

There is often a second starter to look for false starts that can also fire a second shot to stop the race.

Did they have two starters that screwed up?

In the process of the start Avila moved in one lane towards the slender fellow when the slender fellow was , in fact, already occupying the space.

Mo hit into Eric because thew guy on his left shoved him and then Eric held his ground after Mo hit him. Mo then was bouncing around like a pinball and dragged Eric down. Hats off to Eric for being the bigger man and shrugging not off!

WE ALL Make Mistakes 99 wrote:

Mo hit into Eric because thew guy on his left shoved him and then Eric held his ground after Mo hit him. Mo then was bouncing around like a pinball and dragged Eric down. Hats off to Eric for being the bigger man and shrugging not off!

He didn't shrug it off , he offered the slender fellow a guilty high five.

Salvitore is a schmuck. Doesn't take away from the fact that Ahmed was a spoiled runner thinking he could run through all the carnage with 1500m runners, not some scrawny 10,000m runner. He needs to man up.. glad he came back and took out his frustration in the 5000m with a collegiate best of 13:18.

Avila gets Sportsman of the Year from the IAAF because Mo was such a baby.

Omg. Ahmed is such a dooche.

If Jakob pulled this the board would be on fire with sjw blm wokesters demanding Jakob be arrested and banned from running. With Ahmed though, it's oh, he just kinda fell. Didn't mean it. Wasn't his fault. It was everybody else's fault...etc etc.

so sad wrote:

Omg. Ahmed is such a dooche.

If Jakob pulled this the board would be on fire with sjw blm wokesters demanding Jakob be arrested and banned from running. With Ahmed though, it's oh, he just kinda fell. Didn't mean it. Wasn't his fault. It was everybody else's fault...etc etc.

The funny part of this post is Jakob actually has roughed up Ahmed in a race.

am i taking crazy pills wrote:

How is this conversation still going on? Regardless of whatever happen later down the line this is all a chain reaction set into motion from Avila being overly aggressive off the line and knocking Ahmed off balance. That isn't typical racing

Bigger issue was too many people on the starting line

Agree, too many people on the line. Starter f’d up.

I’ve noticed coming from cycling that runners in general get way too emotional when contact is made and when they fall they almost always immediately give up its so pathetic.

just curious here wrote:

am i taking crazy pills wrote:

How is this conversation still going on? Regardless of whatever happen later down the line this is all a chain reaction set into motion from Avila being overly aggressive off the line and knocking Ahmed off balance. That isn't typical racing

Bigger issue was too many people on the starting line

Agree, too many people on the line. Starter f’d up.

I’ve noticed coming from cycling that runners in general get way too emotional when contact is made and when they fall they almost always immediately give up its so pathetic.

Yes, they could have stood up and rejoined the pack. Difficult race. Maybe they could still finish in contact.

Oh, neat, found Mo's Letsrun burner. Turns out the pros do post here!

Here is another angle many of you enjoy - from behind.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CO5_6kzn3Nt/

The more I watch, the more I think Mo's not at fault. Yes he was an idiot to put his arms out like that (Mo ran that - the way I woud have at age 15- trying to draw attention to himself and get like a foul call which servies no purpose), but Avila is a big boy and coming down hard on him. And the guy to Avila's right is a tank.

And I can no longer fault the starter as per the rules, he isnt' supposed to recall them. But I do fault him for not letting them get set before the start.

In races like this, should they actually liine the guys up accorind to how they are going to run. Like, if you are going to go with the rabbit - start here - if you want to run in the back - start here. I think they should.