Caitlyn Jenner is against Transgender athletes competing in women’s sports

Statement from American Academy of Pediatrics.

https://services.aap.org/en/news-room/news-releases/aap/2017/aap-statement-on-protecting-transgender-youth/

JosePublico wrote:

runnerboy70 wrote:

I'm definitely transphobic, I think they are mentally ill and I would bet that many mental health experts think the same thing but our wacky political climate prevents them from being open/honest.

Where do you think this alleged mental illness of being transgender is compared to alchoholism , drug addcition, anorexia or bulimia, criminal recidivism, or garden variety anti social tendencies. What else to compare it to? I am no expert just curious. Is it more or less serious then other mentail illness problems.

It's most similar to body dysmorphia where you think you perceive an aspect of your body to be more flawed or different than it is. The cause of body dysphoria (transgenderism) is however, neurodevelopmental - it occurs when the body develops as one sex and the brain develops as another due to hormonal exposure during development. Look into it, it's actually interesting. I have been reading that the popularization of transgenderism in the media has lead to an "onset-gender dysphoria" where someone later in life believes they are gender dysphoric which may occur for a variety of reasons. This is when I think it can be more aptly labeled as a mental illness. Truly gender-dysphoric people are not "mentally ill," in fact they are perceiving reality exactly how it is, they are just born with an unfortunate defect.

Should be gender dysphoria, not body.

facts and reason wrote:

https://acpeds.org/transgender-interventions-harm-children

"Temporary use of puberty blocker Lupron has also been associated with and may be the cause of many serious permanent side effects including osteoporosis, mood disorders, seizures, cognitive impairment and, when combined with cross-sex hormones, sterility. In addition to the harm from Lupron, cross-sex hormones put youth at an increased risk of heart attacks, stroke, diabetes, blood clots and cancers across their lifespan."

None of you leftists have addressed these concerns.

Stop dancing around the issue.

Answer the question: Do you want children to take a chemical that affects their health? Yes or no.

What do you do if a child tells you they are questioning their gender? They are severely anxious about it and you think they might be at risk of self harm and/or suicide?

These drugs are prescribed to temporarily stop the puberty process and allow that child the space for intervention and prevent their mental health from deteriorating.

This might involve therapy after which a child decides they are comfortable with their gender, in which case they can stop talking suppressing hormones and puberty resumes. Others might still be uncomfortable and then cross sex hormones might be considered.

If you are responsible for this person's health what do you do? The alternative is the onset of puberty might decrease the child's mental health significantly and lead to a negative outcome. The risk of suicide and self harm from not being given appropriate care if you are questioning your gender is far greater than the risk of a blood clot or a seizure from the drugs.

Isn't it best to hit pause in these circumstances? I think it is. None of this requires you to be 'woke'.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

Statement from American Academy of Pediatrics.

https://services.aap.org/en/news-room/news-releases/aap/2017/aap-statement-on-protecting-transgender-youth/

I read that, It doesn't say that they are not mentailly ill. It says excluding them from the public bathrooms they want to use is unhealthy for them. Anyway, my question was again, a rhetorical and exploratory one directed at the poster I asked it to.

I am curious what the poster makes of his opinion that transgenderism is a mental illness, if he or she is willing to advance it a bit. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with as much as just exploring.

That said. When I was taking general ed. college courses way back when the consensus was that it is a mental illness. The way it was discussed led me to accept that. I feel that the changes have been primarily political. ( side note: the medical profession used have much more trust and respect then it does today) I am glad to defend transgender rights to live without abuse, but not dictate female sports, hijack feminism , win the debate over early transitioning agendas over children etc.

Something of a final position , if it is a mental illness , then it is not a very horrible one for the public that doesn't react too badly in one direction or the other. For instance doesn't promote a culture of grooming normal gender confused kids and channeling them toward hormonal interference treatments or other medical interventions. In of itself we obviously need not make it worse for the individuals than it actually is. But we are not responsible for the fact that there is inherent struggle in being trans in society at large.

Tatar. wrote:

facts and reason wrote:

https://acpeds.org/transgender-interventions-harm-children

"Temporary use of puberty blocker Lupron has also been associated with and may be the cause of many serious permanent side effects including osteoporosis, mood disorders, seizures, cognitive impairment and, when combined with cross-sex hormones, sterility. In addition to the harm from Lupron, cross-sex hormones put youth at an increased risk of heart attacks, stroke, diabetes, blood clots and cancers across their lifespan."

None of you leftists have addressed these concerns.

Stop dancing around the issue.

Answer the question: Do you want children to take a chemical that affects their health? Yes or no.

What do you do if a child tells you they are questioning their gender? They are severely anxious about it and you think they might be at risk of self harm and/or suicide?

You give them suicide intervention counseling and love....lots of love. It's no different than if the wanted to kill themselves because they aren't cool or worse finding themselves lonely targets of bullying for some non gender reason.

The desire to be special and different, or see these people as special and different and their normal true selves at the same time is some kind of psychoses in itself.

JosePublico wrote:

Tatar. wrote:

What do you do if a child tells you they are questioning their gender? They are severely anxious about it and you think they might be at risk of self harm and/or suicide?

You give them suicide intervention counseling and love....lots of love. It's no different than if the wanted to kill themselves because they aren't cool or worse finding themselves lonely targets of bullying for some non gender reason.

The desire to be special and different, or see these people as special and different and their normal true selves at the same time is some kind of psychoses in itself.

The purpose of hormone suppressing drugs is to give time for intervention. If you have a suicidal child because of the bodily changes associated with puberty it does make sense to temporarily take away the most immediate source and use the time to deal with underlying reasons. That might be gender/trans issues or just general anxiety as you say.

I don't want these kids not to be given drugs which can help them. You don't even need to believe in trans identities to think this is a good idea to use drugs to temporarily pause puberty if those changes are causing severe distress.

I disagree with that logic, that the hormones are necessary for an intervention in suicidal orientation. That's a enabling or a grooming mindset or something like that.

JosePublico wrote:

Tatar. wrote:

What do you do if a child tells you they are questioning their gender? They are severely anxious about it and you think they might be at risk of self harm and/or suicide?

You give them suicide intervention counseling and love....lots of love. It's no different than if the wanted to kill themselves because they aren't cool or worse finding themselves lonely targets of bullying for some non gender reason.

The desire to be special and different, or see these people as special and different and their normal true selves at the same time is some kind of psychoses in itself.

That makes sense to you but it might not be a problem that can be "cured" so easily. Few parents want their child to transgender and will try to do what you've suggested. If a child continues to be miserable and suicidal, it's not unreasonable for a parent to decide treatments are their only option.

You don't have a child that wants to transgender and have no idea how stressful that situation would be. Are you even a father?

I can imagine a teenager being suicidal for many reasons. If they have to have proceed to alter the chemistry or physicality of their body , or get a new car, or whatever to fix it , they are not only suicidal they are spoiled with a weak minded parent if that parent sees that as the way out.

In a family, How does gender confusion get to this crisis level? All at once? I'd like to know that?

It's more comparable to a suicidal anorexic who is going to kill themselves if they gain another pound. Don't worry honey, we are going to sew your lips shut tomorrow.

SDSU dude, It seems like you went down that path and made your choices. I am sorry about that if true, it must be difficult. It doesn't make you more of an expert, actually. It makes you more beholden to proving that your views are right. Or at least makes me more , suspicious of your

bias.

I know someone who got electric shock therapy. He can't change my mind that I think that it was a terrible idea.

Caitlyn Jenner is an ahole

JosePublico wrote:

SDSU dude, It seems like you went down that path and made your choices. I am sorry about that if true, it must be difficult. It doesn't make you more of an expert, actually. It makes you more beholden to proving that your views are right. Or at least makes me more , suspicious of your

bias.

I know someone who got electric shock therapy. He can't change my mind that I think that it was a terrible idea.

Right. I'm not in the group of .5% of the population that has a transgender child. I really doubt you're a parent if you believe it's so easy to deal with depression.

If your child told you he/she was gay, could you "fix" that as well?

SDSU Aztec wrote:

[quote]JosePublico wrote:

SDSU dude, It seems like you went down that path and made your choices. I am sorry about that if true, it must be difficult. It doesn't make you more of an expert, actually. It makes you more beholden to proving that your views are right. Or at least makes me more , suspicious of your

bias.

I know someone who got electric shock therapy. He can't change my mind that I think that it was a terrible idea.

Right. I'm not in the group of .5% of the population that has a transgender child. I really doubt you're a parent if you believe it's so easy to deal with depression.

If your child told you he/she was gay, could you "fix" that as well?[/quote

What I am saying is that it is not about whether I am a parent and have "stories " of my own to create my own versions of reality for humanity from. That's the way things are done today , I get it, but I am not going to be baited into a discussion on the terms of story telling, my stories are better than yours, right?

The families or parents , that failed to avoid gender confusion from being just a mild situation, and the resultant offspring, who the parents gave hormone blockers, early childhood trans affirming therapies, and other bizarre treatments are the experts , because of their stories and because it didn't happen to me.

Anyway ,, this thread is going to get deleted now, probably.

Identity politics , goes to story telling, goes to objectivity out the window.

The Florida Senate had a more sensible, early version of the bill that would have made an exception for athletes who underwent hormone therapy to suppress testosterone. The Senate in the end opted to go with the House’s outright ban. Sponsor Sen. Kelli Stargel said this was the “simplistic” route because the science is not settled on whether hormone treatment levels the playing field. It’s worth noting that several researchers, including those

Hormone therapy is the "sensible" solution again. If we disagree with that and it means " culture wars? A mean republican agenda of hate? Maybe culture wars are o.k. ?