That 23.6 or whatever it was is from 2018
That 23.6 or whatever it was is from 2018
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I still make the point that in nearly 40 years no clean athlete has gotten near Kratochvilova's record. I don't believe it can be beaten without doping.
I don't doubt that Mu is an exceptionally talented athlete - at 18. But she may not get a lot faster. Amos peaked at 18 and never ran faster. She, too, may be an early developer. I could pick that she might - might - get to 1.55xx. But no faster. 2 seconds over that distance is a huge margin of improvement.
Agree with all that, but also agree with longjack that she might be 1:55 right now. 2 seconds from there is:
If she runs 1.55 at 18 I will ring WADA.
And her outdoor 400 from 2019, which she even blew away indoors this year
Lol I think WADA already knows about her😁
Sprintgeezer wrote:
That 23.6 or whatever it was is from 2018
More significantly, her 50.5 at 400 is this year. I think she is probably as fast as she is going to get, even if her endurance improves.
Seriously though, what does Busey run cleanly?
What is REALLY shocking is Busey’s PB’s at 1 and 2:
11.09 and 21.97
Mu is a totally different 800 athlete. She will never get anywhere near 11.09...or 21.97, IMO
Busey: 1, 2, 4, 8. INSANE
If this had been a non American LRC would have been exploding with PED accusations.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Mu's best 400m is 50xx; Kratochvilova's was 47xx. So how is Mu going to run faster than the Czech over 800m, whose wr has been unsurpassed for decades?
You don't need 47 speed to run 1:53. Krato was 100% speed based, therefore her true potential in the 800m was untapped, as she lacked strength to go faster.
Semenya ran 49, and Jelimo probably even slower than that and they both managed 1:54 low.
In my opinion 800m WR is one of the weakest out there and it is time for somebody talented like Athing Mu to come and get it. Her challenge would be working on her strength without losing speed. If she can do it, she definitely can run the WR.
Athing is now at 49 1:57 18 yrs
JK went 47 1:53 at 32 years
with only 14 more years to train, I believe Athing just might have a chance.
Note also that 1:53 record has stood since 1983, so kind of hard to call it soft.
moving on up wrote:
Athing is now at 49 1:57 18 yrs
JK went 47 1:53 at 32 years
with only 14 more years to train, I believe Athing just might have a chance.
Note also that 1:53 record has stood since 1983, so kind of hard to call it soft.
JK should not be in comparison. She was a 400m runner who due to doping managed to last 2 laps. It would make more sense to compare Mu to Jelimo.
Women 800m has been soft for a really long time, which is gonna change soon.
While I do think that Mu is capable of getting that record eventually, she surely is not gonna be able to chase it for 14 more years. If she doesn't get it in the next 4-5 years, it is never.
By some of the comments I can tell that majority here has no idea what it means to run a fast 400 or 800 nor how to train for it.
I dont know how fast krato would have been clean,but im sure she would have been talented,drugs or not.I read she ran 51 seconds in the 400 in 1978.That was the year she started training seriously.She had done 53 in the years before,but only as a hobby athlete.Its likely her 51 was run clean.After all,cocktails of drugs alone cannot turn a 53 second female into a 48.She came back in 1987,and ran a sub 1.58 800,much less muscled,at age 36.Not sure if she was clean or low dose doped by then,but she wasnt the same athlete she had been in the early 80s.
think first wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Mu's best 400m is 50xx; Kratochvilova's was 47xx. So how is Mu going to run faster than the Czech over 800m, whose wr has been unsurpassed for decades?
You don't need 47 speed to run 1:53. Krato was 100% speed based, therefore her true potential in the 800m was untapped, as she lacked strength to go faster.
Semenya ran 49, and Jelimo probably even slower than that and they both managed 1:54 low.
In my opinion 800m WR is one of the weakest out there and it is time for somebody talented like Athing Mu to come and get it. Her challenge would be working on her strength without losing speed. If she can do it, she definitely can run the WR.
The weakest out there? And yet it's lasted nearly 4 decades, including during the subsequent EPO era, in a sport rife with doping. How many wr's have lasted that long and are still standing?
I doubt whether there is a woman runner who could break it who can't run 49-flat or better in the 400 (who is also doped). (Semenya is effectively male. She isn't a valid comparison). The endurance-based runners haven't been able to get near 1.55, let alone 1.53.
Furthermore, from what I have seen of the list of the fastest times in the event, I wouldn't bet anything under 1.57 is clean.
moving on up wrote:
Athing is now at 49 1:57 18 yrs
JK went 47 1:53 at 32 years
with only 14 more years to train, I believe Athing just might have a chance.
Note also that 1:53 record has stood since 1983, so kind of hard to call it soft.
As is the case with many African and African American athletes, they physically mature earlier than Caucasian athletes. Mu may improve little, in the same way that Amos never ran faster than he did at "18".
think first wrote:
moving on up wrote:
Athing is now at 49 1:57 18 yrs
JK went 47 1:53 at 32 years
with only 14 more years to train, I believe Athing just might have a chance.
Note also that 1:53 record has stood since 1983, so kind of hard to call it soft.
JK should not be in comparison. She was a 400m runner who due to doping managed to last 2 laps. It would make more sense to compare Mu to Jelimo.
Women 800m has been soft for a really long time, which is gonna change soon.
While I do think that Mu is capable of getting that record eventually, she surely is not gonna be able to chase it for 14 more years. If she doesn't get it in the next 4-5 years, it is never.
By some of the comments I can tell that majority here has no idea what it means to run a fast 400 or 800 nor how to train for it.
No record is soft that has lasted for decades that other doped runners have been unable to beat.
athing broke 5 min mile at age 13,
ran 23 seconds at 16
ran 49x relay split at 18
runs a 430 mile at worst now.
you're talking a female coe here all the way.
what was coe's best 200m at age 16?
22 seconds or something... not faster.
athing is definitely a threat to break the 800 world record in 2 years. and not more.
Ventolin you are surely the same guy who thought Ryun could run 1:39 so your thoughts on Athing’s potential are not realistic.
and no, you don't need a 47 quarter to run 152, even with woman's math.
51 with 355 will do just fine.
except athing will have 49 with the 355.
longjack wrote:
and no, you don't need a 47 quarter to run 152, even with woman's math.
51 with 355 will do just fine.
except athing will have 49 with the 355.
Except Ventolin she will never have that combo at the same time. This is what some of you fail to recognize. Lomong ran 1:45 and 27:04 BUT they were 11 years apart. IF Lomong could do both in the same season he could have run 3:27 and 12:45. But that guy did not exist. Same with Athing. She may run 49 and 3:55 but not in the same season. She will NEVER run 1:52. Some of you have no idea how fast that is for a female. And of course many female runners are at their peak by age 21. She will be 19 in June and is closer to her lifetime best than you realize. Probably a 1:54 eventually if she can stay healthy.
longjack wrote:
and no, you don't need a 47 quarter to run 152, even with woman's math.
51 with 355 will do just fine.
except athing will have 49 with the 355.
I suppose you're could be right. Semenya ran 49 and 3:59 for 1:54.
So it seems that to run 1:53 Mu would need either 49 and 3:55 or 48 and 4:00. Either way still lots of work to be done.