This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
I disagree that "all schools could have been open." If the teachers didn't want to open, the schools weren't going to open. The pandemic showed that people are much less willing to work in personally-determined-to-be-adverse environments that previously thought (generous unemployment packages helped). You can argue that they were being lazy / didn't care about kids, but the job of school districts was opening schools, that meant pandering to teachers and parents, etc. That likely required time and money spent that wasn't.
The private schools in my area went all in on 3X a week testing, hybrid options, barriers and masks for teachers, MERV13 filters, airflow exchange, open windows, aggressively bringing in substitute teachers when needed, etc. - these can be done at well-provisioned private schools with enrollments of 500 kids, but very hard to scale to public high schools with 4000 kids.
Things were handled poorly, it's true, but it should be a wake up call that we need to be better prepared in the future, you cannot just force schools to be open, the stakeholders: kids, parents, and teachers have to want the school to be open. The prescriptivist "just open schools" didn't work in 2020/2021 and wont work in 20XX when the next one rolls around.
Forget about private. That’s why I elaborated on public charter. Public charters were open Aug of 2020. I don’t disagree with investing more in ventilation and never did. I was ok with masking until we got through the vaccination process by March 2021, even though those cloth masks were next to useless. But most parents and kids wanted to be back by Fall of 2020 but certainly by Jan 2021. The teachers unions didn’t.
Walmart employees didn’t get the option of working remotely, liquor store employees didn’t get the option of working remotely, and, frankly, neither did my wife and I. We were both back “in the office” by May of 2020, not full time and with masks, but, back. So, in essence, teachers and admin were proven to be non-essential employees. Pretty sad. Some of these kids are never coming back. F those dug-in, activist teachers.
What other industries did isn't relevant. We have "manufactured" teaching as a passion/lifestyle job with strong unions or employment protections. You reap what you sow. Maybe that will change moving forward? In many cases it would be a net positive, but convincing good people to become teachers without protections is going to require higher salaries.
I mean our kids can learn from ChatGPT. That’s what we proved too. ChatGPT doesn’t demand four months off per year (including holidays), multiple sick days, a pretty fat, guaranteed retirement package, collective bargaining, and the ability to shut down on a moment’s notice for a plague that largely doesn’t impact kids under 30 years old, etc.
The challenge isn’t to prepare schools for the next pandemic. The challenge is to rethink schooling and education for the future. Covid merely accelerated this process. Education is one of the biggest sinkholes in this country. Time to start buying out pensions.
I mean our kids can learn from ChatGPT. That’s what we proved too. ChatGPT doesn’t demand four months off per year (including holidays), multiple sick days, a pretty fat, guaranteed retirement package, collective bargaining, and the ability to shut down on a moment’s notice for a plague that largely doesn’t impact kids under 30 years old, etc.
The challenge isn’t to prepare schools for the next pandemic. The challenge is to rethink schooling and education for the future. Covid merely accelerated this process. Education is one of the biggest sinkholes in this country. Time to start buying out pensions.
Liar. You make any excuse imaginable to exclude evidence not approved or funded by big Pharma. “It’s a video - 😩”. “That web site once posted something I think is racist, therefore everything else is meaningless - 😭” Sometimes you use the classic loser response and just name call. But mostly you just ignore anything that conflicts with your programming and pretend it doesn’t exist.
A video is a perfectly valid reason to dismiss evidence.
They are entertaining – they are not efficient methods for distributing information and arguments.
Anything worth saying is worth carefully writing.
But please, continue to demand we watch 45 min videos of podcasters. So compelling!
Of course, what is being discussed is video testimony given by Dr. Rancourt at a Canadian public tribunal on Covid. However, your response is certainly proof of your gaslighting ways. Any possible excuse to not allow yourself to be exposed to something outside your programming. And, yes, the link to all his sources has also been posted a couple times. True to form, you ignore it.
13 million dead from the vaccine, lockdowns, and medical malpractice for a non-pandemic.
You can put forth statements that are true ... that have no relations to the conclusions you draw.
"The sky is blue on sunny days" is true! "The sky is blue, therefore the stars are fake" is not a defensible conclusion... but I could do what you are doing and say "prove that my facts are in dispute, is the sky not blue??"
It's a sophomoric attempt at discussion.
In fact, this trick is #15 on Schopenhauer's "Art of Being Right"
Where do name calling, refusing to look at the evidence for any one of a dozen different lame excuses, or just simply ignoring the evidence all together rank?
I mean our kids can learn from ChatGPT. That’s what we proved too. ChatGPT doesn’t demand four months off per year (including holidays), multiple sick days, a pretty fat, guaranteed retirement package, collective bargaining, and the ability to shut down on a moment’s notice for a plague that largely doesn’t impact kids under 30 years old, etc.
The challenge isn’t to prepare schools for the next pandemic. The challenge is to rethink schooling and education for the future. Covid merely accelerated this process. Education is one of the biggest sinkholes in this country. Time to start buying out pensions.
For sure, education should always been changing. I am not a doomer with regards to American education, our University system is by far the best in the world - despite gross mismanagement at many levels! So we know how to do some things right.
Where do name calling, refusing to look at the evidence for any one of a dozen different lame excuses, or just simply ignoring the evidence all together rank?
Or are those argument losing strategies?
All those are on the list.
The anti-vaxxers have shown they are excellent tactics for convincing the average person who doesn't want to engage with real evidence.
now, we all know vaxxtards will go "hurr durr suBsTaCk lololol" but the fact is this comes from Pfizer's own documents.
They knew how bad this was.
but it gets worse.
if you do a little math, you can take the 1.485 million patients and 3814 deaths recorded. Extrapolate that. Multiply out for the ~70% of the US population (350 million) supposedly jabbed, and you get approximately 630,000 deaths in the US from the death vaxx.
But that's most certainly an underestimate since the time frame of the report is pretty short and wouldn't pick up deaths from vaxx induced cancer, immune dysregulation, neurodegeneration, etc.
given that we know the jabbed shed, it's time for everybody to look into nattokinase.
now, we all know vaxxtards will go "hurr durr suBsTaCk lololol" but the fact is this comes from Pfizer's own documents.
They knew how bad this was.
but it gets worse.
if you do a little math, you can take the 1.485 million patients and 3814 deaths recorded. Extrapolate that. Multiply out for the ~70% of the US population (350 million) supposedly jabbed, and you get approximately 630,000 deaths in the US from the death vaxx.
But that's most certainly an underestimate since the time frame of the report is pretty short and wouldn't pick up deaths from vaxx induced cancer, immune dysregulation, neurodegeneration, etc.
given that we know the jabbed shed, it's time for everybody to look into nattokinase.
LOL adverse advent reporting for trials has to be compared to a control. You are just posting a list of the background frequency of these events in the population.
Look at the Ph3 trial, all of these things occurred in both treatment and control arms at the same rates!
This has to be a troll post, no human can be this confidently dumb.
“Shots targeting XBB.1.5 seem "the most feasible to get across the finish line early without resulting in delays in availability," Dr. Melinda Wharton, a senior official at the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said at an FDA advisory committee meeting Thursday.“
“Shots targeting XBB.1.5 seem "the most feasible to get across the finish line early without resulting in delays in availability," Dr. Melinda Wharton, a senior official at the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said at an FDA advisory committee meeting Thursday.“
Most feasible… that’s the litmus test now. Guess nobody remembers T cell & B cell immunity.
I don't understand the constant negativity.
Ease of production has always been an important factor in drug discovery. A drug is no good if it takes a 32 step synthetic scheme that yields 0.1% conversion.
“Shots targeting XBB.1.5 seem "the most feasible to get across the finish line early without resulting in delays in availability," Dr. Melinda Wharton, a senior official at the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said at an FDA advisory committee meeting Thursday.“
Most feasible… that’s the litmus test now. Guess nobody remembers T cell & B cell immunity.
I don't understand the constant negativity.
Ease of production has always been an important factor in drug discovery. A drug is no good if it takes a 32 step synthetic scheme that yields 0.1% conversion.
Operative words… “seems most feasible.”Hardly, compelling, especially in the wake of that pre-print that showed natural immunity is better against XBB variants.
Ease of production has always been an important factor in drug discovery. A drug is no good if it takes a 32 step synthetic scheme that yields 0.1% conversion.
Operative words… “seems most feasible.”Hardly, compelling, especially in the wake of that pre-print that showed natural immunity is better against XBB variants.
Why would natural immunity being better against XBB variants preclude using it in a booster?
Some people would rather not risk getting super sick.
Operative words… “seems most feasible.”Hardly, compelling, especially in the wake of that pre-print that showed natural immunity is better against XBB variants.
Why would natural immunity being better against XBB variants preclude using it in a booster?
Some people would rather not risk getting super sick.
Ok, well then they would need a nasal booster that induces a mucosal, secretory IgA response. Lacking that, Vicks First Defense and Zicam work wonders. Try it and find out for yourself. Truly. These are brand, not some voodoo, if effective, health store concoction, so I know you’ll approve.
Why would natural immunity being better against XBB variants preclude using it in a booster?
Some people would rather not risk getting super sick.
Ok, well then they would need a nasal booster that induces a mucosal, secretory IgA response. Lacking that, Vicks First Defense and Zicam work wonders. Try it and find out for yourself. Truly. These are brand, not some voodoo, if effective, health store concoction, so I know you’ll approve.
1) Glad we agree that you can believe infection driven immunity is better (I disagree) and still think vaccination is a net positive.
2) Zinc is a dead end, zero evidence of effect without existing zinc deficiency.
Supplements seem to the inevitable end-point of pharma-skeptics... despite people trying and failing to show supplementation of virtually anything to be beneficial for virtually anything in RCTs for decades (again, absent existing deficiency).
XBB 2.3 seems like the newest, soon-to-be breakout sublineage, so why target XBB 1.5 for late summer/fall as it’s already fading? C’mon man. 2.3 will be on the way out before fall. Doesn’t pique your curiosity in the least? How many IgG4 antibodies do you want?
Vicks First Defense my man, don’t be afraid of it. Zinc is a RNA polymerase inhibitor. Just make sure you are taking a powerful ionophore or it’s useless as an extracellular agent, yes.
XBB 2.3 seems like the newest, soon-to-be breakout sublineage, so why target XBB 1.5 for late summer/fall as it’s already fading? C’mon man. 2.3 will be on the way out before fall. Doesn’t pique your curiosity in the least? How many IgG4 antibodies do you want?
Vicks First Defense my man, don’t be afraid of it. Zinc is a RNA polymerase inhibitor. Just make sure you are taking a powerful ionophore or it’s useless as an extracellular agent, yes.
I too wish I could snap my finger and make kilograms of any RNA I wanted appear before me.
Zinc is both required for and inhibitory of transcription initiation and elongation (dosis sola facit venenum, as always). High dose zinc supplementation can be bad for people, so please be careful.
This randomized clinical trial examines whether high-dose zinc and/or high-dose ascorbic acid reduces the severity or duration of symptoms compared with usual care among ambulatory patients with severe acute respiratory syndr...
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