This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
… which is why people are and have the right to be more cynical about public health and the public sector in general. This was just so mismanaged.
We should have spent way way more on make schools safe for teachers and students early on. The teaches, some would say rightfully, have a lot of leverage on how and when schools opened.
I don’t see how skepticism of COVID vaccines would follow from these conclusions, but general perma-skepticism and conspiracy-brain seems to be a side effect of any major crisis.
Oooooh fluoride. 1992 called, they want their conspiracy back
1964 (Dr. Strangelove) and earlier called, they want you, the modern medical tyranny statist, to have a better grasp of history. Fluoride was a heated debate in the 1950s in the USA, with all the best people back then being against forced medication (best case) of the population, without consent.
The old "conspiracies" never really go away. The powerful people who pulled off the last "conspiracy" just move on to new crimes against humanity, that little fascists will always eagerly accept and justify, because authority says so.
Lololol
It's so quaint. Boomers in the 50s arguing about fluoride. They barely understood how covalent bonding worked.
You guys were so cute back then. Stumbling around the big world trying to figure things out.
No, I go all in on the evidence. The evidence supports the vaccines for all groups for which they were approved
Espescially seeing the risks that unvaxxed COVID infections have. Cardiovascular issues. Autoimmunity. All because people saw a meme about vaccines. Pretty tragic.
Liar. You make any excuse imaginable to exclude evidence not approved or funded by big Pharma. “It’s a video - 😩”. “That web site once posted something I think is racist, therefore everything else is meaningless - 😭” Sometimes you use the classic loser response and just name call. But mostly you just ignore anything that conflicts with your programming and pretend it doesn’t exist.
A video is a perfectly valid reason to dismiss evidence.
They are entertaining – they are not efficient methods for distributing information and arguments.
Anything worth saying is worth carefully writing.
But please, continue to demand we watch 45 min videos of podcasters. So compelling!
Eh I wouldn't say he's a villain. He's a run of the mill doctor that makes very head scratching decisions, though. The smart people usually never opt for government jobs...just saying
… which is why people are and have the right to be more cynical about public health and the public sector in general. This was just so mismanaged.
We should have spent way way more on make schools safe for teachers and students early on. The teaches, some would say rightfully, have a lot of leverage on how and when schools opened.
I don’t see how skepticism of COVID vaccines would follow from these conclusions, but general perma-skepticism and conspiracy-brain seems to be a side effect of any major crisis.
This isn’t a commentary on vaccines now, as I previously said. Our local private high school and charter K-8 were only shut down during Spring of 2020. They were fully ready and open by Fall of 2020, unlike our public high. The public high wasn’t open until Spring of 2021 and then in masks for almost another full year.
The charter is funded with public funds, though the buildings and transportation are not, so less per pupil funding actually. The student teacher ratios are the same as in public, but the charter is different, so they don’t play by the same set of rules. The point is, all of the schools could’ve been open by Fall of 2020 or January 2021 absolute latest. Masks could’ve been gone by spring of 2021. Throwing more money into a public sector inefficiency isn’t always and everywhere the answer.
Both of my kids went charter K-8, had an amazing experience, algebra in 7th, geometry in 8th, and a foreign language the entire way, so they are fluent. Then we put them in the disaster that was our public high school. One survived and the other is a classic Covid casualty. It sucks. All of her peers are the same way. The private peers… the ones we know are all doing great. Massive chasm. Per that WaPo article. Travesty.
1964 (Dr. Strangelove) and earlier called, they want you, the modern medical tyranny statist, to have a better grasp of history. Fluoride was a heated debate in the 1950s in the USA, with all the best people back then being against forced medication (best case) of the population, without consent.
The old "conspiracies" never really go away. The powerful people who pulled off the last "conspiracy" just move on to new crimes against humanity, that little fascists will always eagerly accept and justify, because authority says so.
Lololol
It's so quaint. Boomers in the 50s arguing about fluoride. They barely understood how covalent bonding worked.
You guys were so cute back then. Stumbling around the big world trying to figure things out.
Boomers were around 14 years old at most in the 1950s.
tell you what, if you get simple demographics correct, then maybe you can move onto vaccines.
We should have spent way way more on make schools safe for teachers and students early on. The teaches, some would say rightfully, have a lot of leverage on how and when schools opened.
I don’t see how skepticism of COVID vaccines would follow from these conclusions, but general perma-skepticism and conspiracy-brain seems to be a side effect of any major crisis.
This isn’t a commentary on vaccines now, as I previously said. Our local private high school and charter K-8 were only shut down during Spring of 2020. They were fully ready and open by Fall of 2020, unlike our public high. The public high wasn’t open until Spring of 2021 and then in masks for almost another full year.
The charter is funded with public funds, though the buildings and transportation are not, so less per pupil funding actually. The student teacher ratios are the same as in public, but the charter is different, so they don’t play by the same set of rules. The point is, all of the schools could’ve been open by Fall of 2020 or January 2021 absolute latest. Masks could’ve been gone by spring of 2021. Throwing more money into a public sector inefficiency isn’t always and everywhere the answer.
Both of my kids went charter K-8, had an amazing experience, algebra in 7th, geometry in 8th, and a foreign language the entire way, so they are fluent. Then we put them in the disaster that was our public high school. One survived and the other is a classic Covid casualty. It sucks. All of her peers are the same way. The private peers… the ones we know are all doing great. Massive chasm. Per that WaPo article. Travesty.
Also guessing you don’t have kids, or, if you do, they aren’t very old. Easy to preach from a position of inexperience.
I can’t trust mRNA vaccines. My sources as to why are: Bitchute, a comedian, Children’s Health Defense, expose-news, EpochTimes, this video. My issue with these vaccines would be the least of my problems since I need treatment for mental health issues. The MSM narrative is controlled by this thing called “Big Pharma.” And for some reason no one in public health will pay any attention to me and the BS on the links I find. I wonder why this is. They’re all wrong. All of them. Total frauds. This data can’t be fudged or misrepresented. It can’t be due to a reporting bias. So It must be something to do with a “Big Pharma” because there is no other explanation. I notice we get more hits to the conspiracy websites and blogs putting this stuff together so let’s keep it up.
Dr. Anthony Fauci is like Ray Finkle to me. I have a poster of Fauci’s face in my bedroom with a Hitler mustache drawn on it and I stab a needle into it daily since I have constant nightmares at my next doctor appt that a nurse is going to stick me with the jab.
3.5. Subgroup analyses Between the 12–15 years subgroup (30.3 [15.2–60.5] cases per million vaccine doses; 22 413 272 doses and 5 studies) and the 16–17 years subgroup (44.8 [21.6–92.8] cases per million vaccine doses; 6 469 868 doses and 3 studies), the incidences of myopericarditis did not differ significantly (P = 0.446; Fig. 3). . .
3.6. Results of the risk ratios Based on the risk ratios, none of the incidences of myopericarditis pooled in the current study were higher than those after smallpox vaccinations (132.1 cases per million vaccine doses) and non-COVID-19 vaccinations (56.0 cases per million vaccine doses) (Fig. 5; Supplemental Table 4); moreover, all of them were significantly lower than those in adolescents aged 12–17 years after COVID-19 infection (females: 247 cases per million; males: 501 cases per million) (Fig. 5; Supplemental Table 5). . .
Dr. Anthony Fauci is like Ray Finkle to me. I have a poster of Fauci’s face in my bedroom with a Hitler mustache drawn on it and I stab a needle into it daily since I have constant nightmares at my next doctor appt that a nurse is going to stick me with the jab.
Have you already made that appointment to get your umpteenth "booster" ? Will a visiting nurse be sent to find you and stick if you don't show up at the doctor's office ?
You are probably one of the people who has not been disenrolled from Medicaid.
Dr. Anthony Fauci is like Ray Finkle to me. I have a poster of Fauci’s face in my bedroom with a Hitler mustache drawn on it and I stab a needle into it daily since I have constant nightmares at my next doctor appt that a nurse is going to stick me with the jab.
Have you already made that appointment to get your umpteenth "booster" ? Will a visiting nurse be sent to find you and stick if you don't show up at the doctor's office ?
You are probably one of the people who has not been disenrolled from Medicaid.
Who will get to double digit boosters first, Harambe or 2600? The vaxxtard race is on!
Have you already made that appointment to get your umpteenth "booster" ? Will a visiting nurse be sent to find you and stick if you don't show up at the doctor's office ?
You are probably one of the people who has not been disenrolled from Medicaid.
Who will get to double digit boosters first, Harambe or 2600? The vaxxtard race is on!
I think the max anyone’s had is about 6 if you include the 2 bivalent boosters.
This isn’t a commentary on vaccines now, as I previously said. Our local private high school and charter K-8 were only shut down during Spring of 2020. They were fully ready and open by Fall of 2020, unlike our public high. The public high wasn’t open until Spring of 2021 and then in masks for almost another full year.
The charter is funded with public funds, though the buildings and transportation are not, so less per pupil funding actually. The student teacher ratios are the same as in public, but the charter is different, so they don’t play by the same set of rules. The point is, all of the schools could’ve been open by Fall of 2020 or January 2021 absolute latest. Masks could’ve been gone by spring of 2021. Throwing more money into a public sector inefficiency isn’t always and everywhere the answer.
Both of my kids went charter K-8, had an amazing experience, algebra in 7th, geometry in 8th, and a foreign language the entire way, so they are fluent. Then we put them in the disaster that was our public high school. One survived and the other is a classic Covid casualty. It sucks. All of her peers are the same way. The private peers… the ones we know are all doing great. Massive chasm. Per that WaPo article. Travesty.
Also guessing you don’t have kids, or, if you do, they aren’t very old. Easy to preach from a position of inexperience.
I disagree that "all schools could have been open." If the teachers didn't want to open, the schools weren't going to open. The pandemic showed that people are much less willing to work in personally-determined-to-be-adverse environments that previously thought (generous unemployment packages helped). You can argue that they were being lazy / didn't care about kids, but the job of school districts was opening schools, that meant pandering to teachers and parents, etc. That likely required time and money spent that wasn't.
The private schools in my area went all in on 3X a week testing, hybrid options, barriers and masks for teachers, MERV13 filters, airflow exchange, open windows, aggressively bringing in substitute teachers when needed, etc. - these can be done at well-provisioned private schools with enrollments of 500 kids, but very hard to scale to public high schools with 4000 kids.
Things were handled poorly, it's true, but it should be a wake up call that we need to be better prepared in the future, you cannot just force schools to be open, the stakeholders: kids, parents, and teachers have to want the school to be open. The prescriptivist "just open schools" didn't work in 2020/2021 and wont work in 20XX when the next one rolls around.
Also guessing you don’t have kids, or, if you do, they aren’t very old. Easy to preach from a position of inexperience.
I disagree that "all schools could have been open." If the teachers didn't want to open, the schools weren't going to open. The pandemic showed that people are much less willing to work in personally-determined-to-be-adverse environments that previously thought (generous unemployment packages helped). You can argue that they were being lazy / didn't care about kids, but the job of school districts was opening schools, that meant pandering to teachers and parents, etc. That likely required time and money spent that wasn't.
The private schools in my area went all in on 3X a week testing, hybrid options, barriers and masks for teachers, MERV13 filters, airflow exchange, open windows, aggressively bringing in substitute teachers when needed, etc. - these can be done at well-provisioned private schools with enrollments of 500 kids, but very hard to scale to public high schools with 4000 kids.
Things were handled poorly, it's true, but it should be a wake up call that we need to be better prepared in the future, you cannot just force schools to be open, the stakeholders: kids, parents, and teachers have to want the school to be open. The prescriptivist "just open schools" didn't work in 2020/2021 and wont work in 20XX when the next one rolls around.
Forget about private. That’s why I elaborated on public charter. Public charters were open Aug of 2020. I don’t disagree with investing more in ventilation and never did. I was ok with masking until we got through the vaccination process by March 2021, even though those cloth masks were next to useless. But most parents and kids wanted to be back by Fall of 2020 but certainly by Jan 2021. The teachers unions didn’t.
Walmart employees didn’t get the option of working remotely, liquor store employees didn’t get the option of working remotely, and, frankly, neither did my wife and I. We were both back “in the office” by May of 2020, not full time and with masks, but, back. So, in essence, teachers and admin were proven to be non-essential employees. Pretty sad. Some of these kids are never coming back. F those dug-in, activist teachers.