Trees uploading an Instagram titled ‘athletes that inspire me’ about Josh Jogs (With other people’s bibs).
Can’t believe this chump is still associating himself with JoshFlogs after his bib muelling at London marathon last year. How has this guy gotten away with this.
Interested to know if he's got 2:29:59 as his target via runna and he's hitting their targets. And what settings you put in to get Runna to get it to recommend a 50k weighted run as a workout for the marathon...
Another case of runna athlete fails to hit goals. Although this was probably the most clear, no way was he doing 2:30 off the back of his last one; nobody with any sense thought he was doing that.
Top grifting was having huel label out during his vo2 max test, honestly gotta respect that game.
Something I noticed recently from people I follow on Strava that are using Run*a is that the sessions they get assigned seem to all be basically the exact same no matter what event type/time/goal they are going for.
Its always the same 2 or 3 sessions (Over under K reps, 800m repeats etc) and recently I see they have added a new session a "Drop set" and no joke I have seen 5 or 6 different people all doing it on the same day, all training for different races from 5k to marathon to Olympic triathlon.
Surely even if you are just blindly following this plan with no thought process you would notice that you are doing the exact same training as other people that are training for completely different goals and would start to get suspicious??
Just seems like a bonkers business model to so openly and blatantly have such a lack of sessions in the algorithm. Just off the top of my head i can think of 15 different ways to do an interval session, I guess Ben Porker and Scamya Culling aren't as imaginative...
A conspiracy theory hill that I will die on until I see good proof otherwise is that Runna's workouts are optimised to be shared as graphs on instagram and strava for free marketing rather than for long term running performance gain.
The workouts almost always short reps, can't remember the last time I saw a long unbroken tempo or similar. Over under Ks, 'broken' tempos, short reps, long runs that they love putting race pace practice in.
Re Culling on Reddit Parker as near as confirmed that Culling isn't an actual coach - in response to someone pointing out that she isn't qualified that they have a load of 'coaches' who are employed merely for marketing (events, podcast hosting were the examples of what these 'coaches' do) rather than them being involved in the actual training plan mechanics. Although like you say why they need coaches involved in lucky dip selection of the same three runs is silly. Just a way of siphoning money towards a few of the London Parks jogging community to fund their trips around the world to races and events.
Interested to know if he's got 2:29:59 as his target via runna and he's hitting their targets. And what settings you put in to get Runna to get it to recommend a 50k weighted run as a workout for the marathon...
Another case of runna athlete fails to hit goals. Although this was probably the most clear, no way was he doing 2:30 off the back of his last one; nobody with any sense thought he was doing that.
Top grifting was having huel label out during his vo2 max test, honestly gotta respect that game.
Something I noticed recently from people I follow on Strava that are using Run*a is that the sessions they get assigned seem to all be basically the exact same no matter what event type/time/goal they are going for.
Its always the same 2 or 3 sessions (Over under K reps, 800m repeats etc) and recently I see they have added a new session a "Drop set" and no joke I have seen 5 or 6 different people all doing it on the same day, all training for different races from 5k to marathon to Olympic triathlon.
Surely even if you are just blindly following this plan with no thought process you would notice that you are doing the exact same training as other people that are training for completely different goals and would start to get suspicious??
Just seems like a bonkers business model to so openly and blatantly have such a lack of sessions in the algorithm. Just off the top of my head i can think of 15 different ways to do an interval session, I guess Ben Porker and Scamya Culling aren't as imaginative...
If you think that any Runna plans have even been passed by an actual human being, I have a bridge to sell you... (I suspect you don't though!)
I imagine if you asked ChatGPT to set you a programme it would do a better job, because you could probably also add more parameters, tweak it more. And it would be not cost you whatever Runna is currently scamming for.
Overlapped with your post but exactly. Culling has, what, the lowest level England Athletics qualification it's possible to get that basically just lets you lead runs to tick the health and safety/insurance boxes. And Parker has PT qualifications.
A conspiracy theory hill that I will die on until I see good proof otherwise is that Runna's workouts are optimised to be shared as graphs on instagram and strava for free marketing rather than for long term running performance gain.
The workouts almost always short reps, can't remember the last time I saw a long unbroken tempo or similar. Over under Ks, 'broken' tempos, short reps, long runs that they love putting race pace practice in.
Believable, especially for a fitness startup app. It might be more practical though: intervals are probably a better user experience for beginners and/or the perpetually not-really-in-shape social run-clubbers.
E.g. if Runna gives you intervals w/ a time target, then you can either hit it because you don't have to hold it a long duration, or if you're missing it it's not by much in terms of seconds. You still feel like you mostly succeeded and come back to use the app another day. If it sends that beginner out on a 4 mile steady moderate/hard effort, "missing" their goal probably means missing it by a lot or not finishing. If that happens enough, they stop being Runna users, which is the company's real goal: keeping users using.
I have no problem with shoe rotations, as long as people run the same mileage with their shoes until they retire them.
Assuming one does that it really doesn't make a difference if one buys a pair of shoes and then the next after hitting a certain mileage. Or if one buys two shoes at once and runs them for the same total distance alternating between them.
Do most amateur runners need a rotation? Probably not, but different shoes give a different experience. And if that increases the enjoyment in their hobby that's a good thing in my book.
there are two further arguments for a "shoe roatation" which is 1. that shoes given sufficient time to dry and decompress between uses can have up to 10% more milage in them before they wear out (this is not a problem for a 3 times a week 30 minutes at a time hobby jobber, but still a thing) and 2. by switching shoes you change about the wear pattern on your stabilisers et.c. and thus lowering the risk of overuse injuries by a smidge. Both of those are achieved by just getting two pairs of shoes. It's not the 'shoe depending on TYPE of run' kind of shoe rotation though, so less sexy for the youtube. Like, is it necessary? No, of course not. But is it total hogwash? Also no.
I have no problem with shoe rotations, as long as people run the same mileage with their shoes until they retire them.
Assuming one does that it really doesn't make a difference if one buys a pair of shoes and then the next after hitting a certain mileage. Or if one buys two shoes at once and runs them for the same total distance alternating between them.
Do most amateur runners need a rotation? Probably not, but different shoes give a different experience. And if that increases the enjoyment in their hobby that's a good thing in my book.
there are two further arguments for a "shoe roatation" which is 1. that shoes given sufficient time to dry and decompress between uses can have up to 10% more milage in them before they wear out (this is not a problem for a 3 times a week 30 minutes at a time hobby jobber, but still a thing) and 2. by switching shoes you change about the wear pattern on your stabilisers et.c. and thus lowering the risk of overuse injuries by a smidge. Both of those are achieved by just getting two pairs of shoes. It's not the 'shoe depending on TYPE of run' kind of shoe rotation though, so less sexy for the youtube. Like, is it necessary? No, of course not. But is it total hogwash? Also no.
I don't think #1 is really that true outside of maybe helping with smell or if you go for a run in the pouring rain or something. However #2 is definitely true, the Evo SLs are my favorite training shoe but they are a bit unstable so I can't really run in them for 6 days straight so it helps to switch another more stable shoe in. I do notice though that the more I run in the Evo SLs, the longer I am able to go while running in them (I was able to do a 18 mile run with no soreness) so I actually think running in a shoe that was a bit unstable helped work the muscles and tendons for me to run in a more stable way.
I used an 8 week Couch to 5K program for a recent 5k as I haven't ran in well over 10 years. I thought it was brilliant and did what it set out to do, get me out the door and moving. After though, I knew I needed something with more specific training rather than "get out the door and run/walk for 30+ minutes".
I'm enjoying Runna, though I'm sure it's just algo/"AI" based. There's better accountability with it, UI is enjoyable, and it easily links to my watch. Hitting those time targets on smaller runs probably provides a better endorphin rush than missing the target on a 20 minute tempo for example so I definitely see what you mean. The plan is probably more blanketed for the general population rather than tailored to me specifically but I am ok with that. ChatGPT could probably spit out a better training plan but the average beginner is probably going into this without knowing what a tempo, interval, Z2 etc is, and wouldn't be able to prompt the AI to give a good plan.
I used an 8 week Couch to 5K program for a recent 5k as I haven't ran in well over 10 years. I thought it was brilliant and did what it set out to do, get me out the door and moving. After though, I knew I needed something with more specific training rather than "get out the door and run/walk for 30+ minutes".
I'm enjoying Runna, though I'm sure it's just algo/"AI" based. There's better accountability with it, UI is enjoyable, and it easily links to my watch. Hitting those time targets on smaller runs probably provides a better endorphin rush than missing the target on a 20 minute tempo for example so I definitely see what you mean. The plan is probably more blanketed for the general population rather than tailored to me specifically but I am ok with that. ChatGPT could probably spit out a better training plan but the average beginner is probably going into this without knowing what a tempo, interval, Z2 etc is, and wouldn't be able to prompt the AI to give a good plan.
I'm amazed how many people use Runna and it's like because "it syncs with my watch" - It is not hard to create a workout and sync. It's crazy how poor people are with technology in this day and age.
Running is basically very simple. Run easy, super easy 5 days a week, add in a threshold workout (or a VO2 Max workout if you must) once a week and run long once a week. It's not rocket science
Overlapped with your post but exactly. Culling has, what, the lowest level England Athletics qualification it's possible to get that basically just lets you lead runs to tick the health and safety/insurance boxes. And Parker has PT qualifications.
Indeed it’s so annoying that it’s listed as a coaching qualification it’s not it’s ‘The course is designed to prepare you to provide a safe and enjoyable running experience for young people aged 12+ and adults of any ability. The course covers risk assessment, warm-ups, cool downs, and how to lead fun running sessions for a mixed ability group of runners.’ It’s for members of clubs to lead sessions that’s it
Australian mobile number linked to the account, and email address suggests name/surname beginning in W. Search OMTIU followers with a “W”, who also follows them back and is based in Australia. Won’t name names but the list is short.
Given Banksy identity was revealed this week, in the context of this thread it feels only appropriate to expose the OMTIU leader, adding pressure to accelerate the case for a Ben Parker investigation... @willgibbo__ your time is up
Where you getting that from? He’s been running as normal according to his Strava. Over doing his long runs, pointless VO2 max stuff, you know the drill
there are two further arguments for a "shoe roatation" which is 1. that shoes given sufficient time to dry and decompress between uses can have up to 10% more milage in them before they wear out (this is not a problem for a 3 times a week 30 minutes at a time hobby jobber, but still a thing) and 2. by switching shoes you change about the wear pattern on your stabilisers et.c. and thus lowering the risk of overuse injuries by a smidge. Both of those are achieved by just getting two pairs of shoes. It's not the 'shoe depending on TYPE of run' kind of shoe rotation though, so less sexy for the youtube. Like, is it necessary? No, of course not. But is it total hogwash? Also no.
I don't think #1 is really that true outside of maybe helping with smell or if you go for a run in the pouring rain or something. However #2 is definitely true, the Evo SLs are my favorite training shoe but they are a bit unstable so I can't really run in them for 6 days straight so it helps to switch another more stable shoe in. I do notice though that the more I run in the Evo SLs, the longer I am able to go while running in them (I was able to do a 18 mile run with no soreness) so I actually think running in a shoe that was a bit unstable helped work the muscles and tendons for me to run in a more stable way.
The other thing that shoetubers and shoe companies get wrong is that a shoe rotation should have different shoe types. If you’re constantly rotating between different shoes with a 40mm stack height, 8mm drop & PEBA foam you’re not rotating shoes!
I agree for the most part that it's not rocket science, but your average newbie isn't going to know what the hell a threshold or VO2 max workout is on day 1. Runna is successful because of that. It's a powerful tool for sure to open the door that people can blindly follow. They can make their own choices after.
I do find it funny seeing Ben Parker listed as a coach in part of the advertising and as my "coach", though what he says in the app most likely isn't even from him, maybe signed off at best. The average joe will never be aware of his time fudging nor will they care
Trees uploading an Instagram titled ‘athletes that inspire me’ about Josh Jogs (With other people’s bibs).
Can’t believe this chump is still associating himself with JoshFlogs after his bib muelling at London marathon last year. How has this guy gotten away with this.
And the explanation was just that he's done some cross training and ran a perfectly achievable marathon workout.
Guy is coming off the back of a training camp to South Africa - these people are all largely living the lives of pros, working at best part-part time; and he's running 2:42 or whatever. Come on that's not inspiring, my brother in Christ
Think we forget Tommy Work For Your Dad Trees is becoming less and less relevant in the space which explains why he now posts more videos about others rather than himself. He’s run out of content providing coaching tips because there’s only so many times we all can watch videos about how to taper, what VO2 max is etc. Pretty pathetic all he’s done with his professional career is work under his old man. Looks great on Instagram I’m sure but when you reflect, it really isn’t impressive. And tell me, who’s dumb enough to pay JoshFlogs to be their coach? I mean sure, he’ll tell you how to make a bib and put gel in your hair.
Trees uploading an Instagram titled ‘athletes that inspire me’ about Josh Jogs (With other people’s bibs).
Can’t believe this chump is still associating himself with JoshFlogs after his bib muelling at London marathon last year. How has this guy gotten away with this.
And the explanation was just that he's done some cross training and ran a perfectly achievable marathon workout.
Guy is coming off the back of a training camp to South Africa - these people are all largely living the lives of pros, working at best part-part time; and he's running 2:42 or whatever. Come on that's not inspiring, my brother in Christ
Apparently his previous PB was 2:50 from 2023 so 3 years to go from 2:50 to 2:42
Given Banksy identity was revealed this week, in the context of this thread it feels only appropriate to expose the OMTIU leader, adding pressure to accelerate the case for a Ben Parker investigation... @willgibbo__ your time is up
No clue who that loser is- I assume some pleb who lusted to be an influencer but was “scared of what the boys would say” based on the behavior, but the Brit in Australia makes so much sense.