kibitzer wrote:
Rochester women just didn't have the guns for that level of meet, but still competed pretty well. I think they deserve to stay in the top-ten regional poll.
Looks like norton dnfed. She is consistently top 15 in each race. Looks like they could have been in the mix (4-6) if she had raced the whole way. 4-6 isn't anything to scoff at when 6 teams are nationally ranked in the race.
Bulldozer wrote:
Looks like norton dnfed. She is consistently top 15 in each race. Looks like they could have been in the mix (4-6) if she had raced the whole way. 4-6 isn't anything to scoff at when 6 teams are nationally ranked in the race.
You're absolutely right (well, they didn't have a shot at 4th), and I stand corrected. My earlier comments were based only on team score, and were completely off base.
Norton was the UAA athlete of the week the previous week, and a "normal" race from her could have cut their team score by ~40 points, right in with some nationally-ranked teams. If they can put that kind of race together at Regionals, then they could have as good a shot as their men's team.
I hope she's not injured or something. Good runner.
Vin wrote:
Well, I used to think that the old coach didn't know what he was doing, since their women often seemed to run bad at SUNYACs, but I guess now I can say it's just their women being mental...
I completely agree with your assessment. The Brockport women always seem to choke at championship meets. I don't think it has anything to do with the coach. It has everything to do with the mental character of the team.
Vin wrote:
Well, I used to think that the old coach didn't know what he was doing, since their women often seemed to run bad at SUNYACs, but I guess now I can say it's just their women being mental...
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I completely agree with your assessment. The Brockport women always seem to choke at championship meets. I don't think it has anything to do with the coach. It has everything to do with the mental character of the team.
I always find it interesting that those who cannot do, talk. Hope your life's are better than this forum
You must be new to LRC.
ff wrote:
I always find it interesting that those who cannot do, talk. Hope your life's are better than this forum
lol. the classic comeback - U GOTS NO LIFE U SPEND 12 HOURS A DAY ON FECKIN LETSRUN.
times from Saratoga look pretty slow. Was the course hit hard by all the NY rain?
From what I heard the course was fine. The ladies' times weren't too slow. Maybe it was just a slow race without anyone really pushing the pace? Any reports from anyone who ran? The times are definitely uncharacteristic of that course though, by all of the teams.
RIT would have been a bit closer to SLU had Hardbarger run better, but not enough to win it. Also, can't find Malcomb for SLU in the results.
Big congrats for NYU and Geneseo for big races too. I'm always glad to see AR teams beat up on always over-ranked south region teams. Regionals should be a great race between Geneseo and Cortland, can Cortland run for revenge and get back, or will Geneseo hold them off again?
Yeah cause I am sure NYU is just gonna show up and run for third. Maher and Turlip just drilled Lang from UR, who ran right with some of Geneseo's top guys a few weeks back. Not saying NYU will beat either team, but to call it a two team race is just uninformed.
Big Will wrote:
From what I heard the course was fine. The ladies' times weren't too slow. Maybe it was just a slow race without anyone really pushing the pace? Any reports from anyone who ran? The times are definitely uncharacteristic of that course though, by all of the teams.
RIT would have been a bit closer to SLU had Hardbarger run better, but not enough to win it. Also, can't find Malcomb for SLU in the results.
Big congrats for NYU and Geneseo for big races too. I'm always glad to see AR teams beat up on always over-ranked south region teams. Regionals should be a great race between Geneseo and Cortland, can Cortland run for revenge and get back, or will Geneseo hold them off again?
"Maher and Turlip just drilled Lang from UR, who ran right with some of Geneseo's top guys a few weeks back."
Good to know they're only going to score two runners this year?
You just called that person out for something they didn't say and gave very little evidence to support your claim. I suppose that's why you backed down from your statement by saying you actually weren't saying NYU could even beat either team. Not that I think that's what you were doing.
NYU needs a stronger 5th to compete with Cortland and Geneseo. Cortland needs Greenlaw or someone else to run a little better to beat Geneseo.
mikejones999 wrote:
NYU needs a stronger 5th to compete with Cortland and Geneseo.
Reasonable point. OTOH the Violets' 2-6 spread (accepting Maher as an outlier) on Saturday was just over 30 seconds, which isn't that bad. (Particularly on a slow course where only 20% of the field--four top-25 teams, remember--was under 27 minutes.) Actually, if Maher had been DQed then NYU's 2-6 would still have won the meet, and we'd be talking about their tight 1-5 spread!
Geneseo and Cortland will have the top two seeds going into Regionals, and I think they should, based on the totality of their season-to-date. But I kind of suspect that NYU can "compete" with them right now.
...Though you have to wonder whether McDonough will train them through Regionals a little bit, given that the AR's top three teams seem to have opened a gap on the next squads?
I think "the big three" are looking ahead to nationals as they priority of their season, I think thats gunna be the real showdown for those team.
I just want to throw this out there, everyone talking about Geneseo over Cortland this weekend...well the thing is Cortland is running for the long term outcome, Nationals. It seemed Geneseo was just ready for this meet like it was their Nationals and really got up for it and much congrats to them. I don't want to knock them to much, however I think Cortland will be ready at Nationals and beat them and even Regionals for that matter.
you have no clue about how geneseo trains or their attitudes going into that meet... just because they ran fast does not mean that they peaked for it it just means they ran better than cortland because they're a better team
It wasn't my best race of the season to be honest. The implications might still hold, though. (That NYU should be considered competitive with Cortland and Geneseo)
No idea wrote:
you have no clue about how geneseo trains or their attitudes going into that meet... just because they ran fast does not mean that they peaked for it it just means they ran better than cortland because they're a better team
Maybe you don't know Geneseo then. They treat it like nationals. I've never heard of any other team doing as much to mentally prepare for SUNYACs than Geneseo does. I think that takes a lot out of them physically to put so much effort into the mental prep that it does hurt them later in the season.
The first stretch (400m or so) was straight into a stiff headwind which set the pace slow from the gun, and I don't think anyone really drilled the pace until the later stages of the race. Even still, the times were slow on the whole.
Vin wrote:
I've never heard of any other team doing as much to mentally prepare for SUNYACs than Geneseo does. I think that takes a lot out of them physically to put so much effort into the mental prep that it does hurt them later in the season.
...right.
SUNYACS wrote:
I just want to throw this out there, everyone talking about Geneseo over Cortland this weekend...well the thing is Cortland is running for the long term outcome, Nationals. It seemed Geneseo was just ready for this meet like it was their Nationals and really got up for it and much congrats to them. I don't want to knock them to much, however I think Cortland will be ready at Nationals and beat them and even Regionals for that matter.
Maybe. I don't know how you can say that Geneseo peaked for this meet, maybe they did, but we won't know until down the road. It wouldn't make much sense for a team to SUNYACS a priority over regionals and nationals though.
Regional Predictions:
Geneseo - SUNYAC win and home-course advantage
Cortland
NYU
SLU
RIT
Indiv:
Kosgei
L. Berube
Heymann
Maher
Dubois
Chichester
too hard to call after that
Vin wrote:
Maybe you don't know Geneseo then. They treat it like nationals. I've never heard of any other team doing as much to mentally prepare for SUNYACs than Geneseo does.
Ha, I was going to post something similar as well. I knew people on the team in recent years and would also hear and observe things about their team, and they really did treat any SUNY meet as the be-all, end-all of the season.
So I guess all this really means is that I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if Cortland was much closer to Geneseo at the next couple meets, if not beating them.