why does David Roche keep banging on about being in sub-4 at altitude shape?

uh.. wrote:

Imsofasst wrote:

Megan just did a ride on zwift of 45 miles with 2800ft of climbing and averaged 22.5 mph at 176 watts. A couple days earlier she did an REAL bike ride of 51 miles with 2,200ft of climbing and averaged 17.7mph with 148HR. The outdoor ride was gravel which will slow you down a bit but these 2 rides are not at all comparable. To be so insecure as a coach and athlete that you alter your weight to make your zwift rides impressive… I think David is really rubbing off on her.

outside v. inside is way too different to read much into it, particularly with hills, wind, etc. on a trainer you can just pump away up and down the hills, in the real world, depending on terrain/turns, most let way off on watts on the downhills, curves, technical areas, stop signs, traffic, and so on, all of which will significantly lower average watts and speed. i don't think these numbers raise any flags on their own. but what do i know.

uh.. wrote:

EwDavid wrote:

While not comparable, isn’t it funny that she hides her power data when riding outside? A month or so ago, she posted her ride before hiding it. Her average watts? 106. Speed was around 17.something. But she can spin at 176 watts (not super easy for even good female runners) for 2 hours? Give me a break. And she has gone out of her way to say “finally a trainer that works!” Right. You mean the one that overreports! It’s just stupid that they are so desperate to look AMAZING!!!! I would not be surprised to find out they ride e-bikes outdoors.

this still doesn't raise a red flag - particularly if she doesn't have a power meter on the bike. Strava will add power estimates, but they are generally way off and way low. Also, 176 watts for 2 hours on a trainer is achievable by most average runners in their 40/50s so i don't think that's crazy for her. let's focus on the right stuff here. like using a watch instead of the treadmill data, or your phone instead of the fancy gps watch. like sub 4min mile, "playing" college football, benching 225x12, and other middle aged puffery after a few drinks.

uh.. wrote:

EwDavid wrote:

While not comparable, isn’t it funny that she hides her power data when riding outside? A month or so ago, she posted her ride before hiding it. Her average watts? 106. Speed was around 17.something. But she can spin at 176 watts (not super easy for even good female runners) for 2 hours? Give me a break. And she has gone out of her way to say “finally a trainer that works!” Right. You mean the one that overreports! It’s just stupid that they are so desperate to look AMAZING!!!! I would not be surprised to find out they ride e-bikes outdoors.

this still doesn't raise a red flag - particularly if she doesn't have a power meter on the bike. Strava will add power estimates, but they are generally way off and way low. Also, 176 watts for 2 hours on a trainer is achievable by most average runners in their 40/50s so i don't think that's crazy for her. let's focus on the right stuff here. like using a watch instead of the treadmill data, or your phone instead of the fancy gps watch. like sub 4min mile, "playing" college football, benching 225x12, and other middle aged puffery after a few drinks.

EwDavid wrote:

It would be great if other trail and ultra podcasts, like The Boulder Boys would mention this on their platforms. If/when they talk about David, they should bring up the point that he chooses Strava and his watch when it will make him look faster. It’s been said to exhaustion by now, but, dude, you are not the fastest and you don’t need to be. If you’re a coach, be a good coach. If you want to win, train and leave it out there in the race. People will find you much more pleasant if you weren’t so freaking desperate and show yourself to be a liar. You and Megan both try to make yourselves look unbeatable, but neither of you are. You just come across as cheats. You don’t like that? Then just stop. Do your workouts and stop pretending they are something they aren’t. And be better coaches if you are going to continue taking people’s money.

EwDavid wrote:

It would be great if other trail and ultra podcasts, like The Boulder Boys would mention this on their platforms. If/when they talk about David, they should bring up the point that he chooses Strava and his watch when it will make him look faster. It’s been said to exhaustion by now, but, dude, you are not the fastest and you don’t need to be. If you’re a coach, be a good coach. If you want to win, train and leave it out there in the race. People will find you much more pleasant if you weren’t so freaking desperate and show yourself to be a liar. You and Megan both try to make yourselves look unbeatable, but neither of you are. You just come across as cheats. You don’t like that? Then just stop. Do your workouts and stop pretending they are something they aren’t. And be better coaches if you are going to continue taking people’s money.

pluffmudder wrote:

EwDavid wrote:

It would be great if other trail and ultra podcasts, like The Boulder Boys would mention this on their platforms. If/when they talk about David, they should bring up the point that he chooses Strava and his watch when it will make him look faster. It’s been said to exhaustion by now, but, dude, you are not the fastest and you don’t need to be. If you’re a coach, be a good coach. If you want to win, train and leave it out there in the race. People will find you much more pleasant if you weren’t so freaking desperate and show yourself to be a liar. You and Megan both try to make yourselves look unbeatable, but neither of you are. You just come across as cheats. You don’t like that? Then just stop. Do your workouts and stop pretending they are something they aren’t. And be better coaches if you are going to continue taking people’s money.

I was a David fan until Leadville. Honestly, I was. Pulled for the dude, bought in to what he said, referred others to his articles and podcast. I liked the “aww shucks, little ‘ol me” self deprecating persona.

Then Leadville happened and it unleashed this narcissistic firestorm that I had never before seen in David. It’s gross and I can’t support it. None of this has anything to do with David’s success. It’s the way he changed as a person that turned me off. Or maybe that’s just the person he was all along, and it took a big win to reveal the man behind the curtain.

Imsofasst wrote:

uh.. wrote:

this still doesn't raise a red flag - particularly if she doesn't have a power meter on the bike. Strava will add power estimates, but they are generally way off and way low. Also, 176 watts for 2 hours on a trainer is achievable by most average runners in their 40/50s so i don't think that's crazy for her. let's focus on the right stuff here. like using a watch instead of the treadmill data, or your phone instead of the fancy gps watch. like sub 4min mile, "playing" college football, benching 225x12, and other middle aged puffery after a few drinks.

Her average HR for the gravel ride was close to 150, she spent an hour in Z3. Her Zwift rides are in a different league. I’m telling you from someone who rides, but I dont feel that compelled to convince a stranger on the internet. I know it’s whack and figured I would call her out. It’s just another example of them cheating and lying for acceptance.