Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Runningart2004 wrote:

The base of the GOP are growing older whiter and dying.

The base of the Dems are younger browner and growing.

Sadly I'm not sure when the GOP will turn this around. They are fractured and the country is bound towards a majority minority in which 1/2 or more of the GOP simply has no taste for.

I do not agree with 1 party rule no matter who the party is. I believe in compromise and finding common ground.

Alan

Agreed on this ^.

We need a strong 2nd (or 3rd . . . ) party. But one with principles. The GOP has been walking away from having any principles for decades and Trump was simply the culmination of that.

The nation is not in good shape - though a bit better than it was a few months ago.

Calamity Joe wrote:

highhoppingworm wrote:

Back as what exactly? A fiscally and socially conservative party aimed and re-attracting suburban voters or some weird re-animated corpse of Trumpist propaganda? You need to answer that question first as it has consequences.

The former of course. I have no desire to see Trump return.

In that case, I sincerely wish you good luck. We seriously need a strong, principled conservative party.

1101 wrote:

We need a strong 2nd (or 3rd . . . ) party. But one with principles. The GOP has been walking away from having any principles for decades and Trump was simply the culmination of that.

The nation is not in good shape - though a bit better than it was a few months ago.

I've been saying that we need more than 2 viable parties since the 80's. The best way to polarize anything is to only have 2 choices.

No excuses now. We got the Senate, House, and WH for at least the next two years.

Time to push as much legislation through as we can.

1101 wrote:

Calamity Joe wrote:

The former of course. I have no desire to see Trump return.

In that case, I sincerely wish you good luck. We seriously need a strong, principled conservative party.

Don't let the handle fool you. Calamity is what Sally goes by when they're not sure what their preferred pronoun is that day.

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

No excuses now. We got the Senate, House, and WH for at least the next two years.

Time to push as much legislation through as we can.

in the past, the US electorate has been center-right, and a bunch of big government legislation usually led to giant losses in the next elections.

Maybe this time is different and the electorate will welcome big projects.

Maybe.

But it's a big risk. And not how Joe Biden/Schumer tend to work.

And of course at 50/50 they have no wiggle room.

highhoppingworm wrote:

Yikes. Really sad to see. Some really upstanding citizens!

I never thought 8-9 years removed from 2012 I would find myself rooting for someone like Romney. How times change.

You are looking at the wrong way, Wormster. Look what your media-induced TDS reduced you to - you and your fellow socialists are now rooting for Mitt Romney. It should be a cause for internal reflection, not outward glee.

agip wrote:

nah Mitch will see if he can get 10 moderate senators, blue and red, to work with him to slow down Joe & Co. Which could happen. Real bipartisan chance here. Which I would welcome.

If that fails, and if the filibuster rules are altered...then he might quit.

Be tough. There aren't many options on the blue side these days in terms of 'moderate' (where moderate means working with Trumpy Republicans).

Manchin is an obvious choice, but where next? Sinema? Tester? They're both moderate but I doubt they'll have much inclination to work with McConnell.

Standard Setter wrote:

At one point there was a narrative that immigrants were ruining this country, now the tables has turned and white people are ruining this country.

This needs elaboration, Standard Setter. Were immigrants ruining the country, or was that just a "narrative" in the pejorative sense? And, with the turned table, are white people now ruining the country, or is that similarly just a "narrative" in the pejorative sense?

Flybang mosh wrote:

highhoppingworm wrote:

Yikes. Really sad to see. Some really upstanding citizens!

I never thought 8-9 years removed from 2012 I would find myself rooting for someone like Romney. How times change.

You are looking at the wrong way, Wormster. Look what your media-induced TDS reduced you to - you and your fellow socialists are now rooting for Mitt Romney. It should be a cause for internal reflection, not outward glee.

Incorrect. I think it is more a reflection of aging and realizing that there are people I can fundamentally disagree with and still respect. It’s a natural part of growing up. I am not rooting for Romney’s policy positions. I am rooting for him, and more people like him, to be the stronger voice of the Republican Party.

What you wrote above is drivel.

Dan Kahneman wrote:

L L wrote:

I also don't think it would be a good idea for Biden to direct the US AG to prosecute Trump. Not from a political view.

But they also should not interfere if the state of New York prosecutes him.

And they should turn over any federal evidence that New York may ask for.

I think Biden should stay out of it but the justice department should enforce our laws even if it means charging trump. We should return to being a country that respects that law and punishes criminals.

Trumps behavior should never occur again. We need to send that message.

+1

agip wrote:

Banned in 60 Seconds wrote:

I expect that Mitch McConnell will announce his resignation for "health reasons" within the next 90 days. Perhaps sooner if he faces a rebellion within his own caucus and is denied minority leader status.

nah Mitch will see if he can get 10 moderate senators, blue and red, to work with him to slow down Joe & Co. Which could happen. Real bipartisan chance here. Which I would welcome.

If that fails, and if the filibuster rules are altered...then he might quit.

First he has to get the trump fallout under control. The House is completely split and one too many Senators have decided to break ranks. This is going to take a while to shake out and I won't be surprised if Mitch is challenged.

trollism wrote:

agip wrote:

nah Mitch will see if he can get 10 moderate senators, blue and red, to work with him to slow down Joe & Co. Which could happen. Real bipartisan chance here. Which I would welcome.

If that fails, and if the filibuster rules are altered...then he might quit.

Be tough. There aren't many options on the blue side these days in terms of 'moderate' (where moderate means working with Trumpy Republicans).

Manchin is an obvious choice, but where next? Sinema? Tester? They're both moderate but I doubt they'll have much inclination to work with McConnell.

well the point is that at 50/50 you don't need many people in a caucus to gain influence.

But yeah the bipartisan swing caucus could be

Sinema

Manchin

Tester

Coons

Romney

Murkowski

Collins

And that's a big group - would swing some power.

Grumble, grumble, grumble wrote:

1101 wrote:

In that case, I sincerely wish you good luck. We seriously need a strong, principled conservative party.

Don't let the handle fool you. Calamity is what Sally goes by when they're not sure what their preferred pronoun is that day.

I don't care about Sally. Nor do I care about Calamity Joe.

I care about the nation. In fact, I care more about the nation than I did 4 years ago. And that is the one thing that I give Trump credit for - being such an a-hole and such a traitor that it forced me into realizing how precious and fragile this nation is.

"A republic, if you can keep it."

agip wrote:

trollism wrote:

Be tough. There aren't many options on the blue side these days in terms of 'moderate' (where moderate means working with Trumpy Republicans).

Manchin is an obvious choice, but where next? Sinema? Tester? They're both moderate but I doubt they'll have much inclination to work with McConnell.

well the point is that at 50/50 you don't need many people in a caucus to gain influence.

But yeah the bipartisan swing caucus could be

Sinema

Manchin

Tester

Coons

Romney

Murkowski

Collins

And that's a big group - would swing some power.

That's the swing group and they will indeed have a lot of power. The question is whether they'll be taking their lead from McConnell.

Given the way Pence has acted the last four years, I think it is funny that he got caught in a weasel trap at the very last moment.

You socialists may have won a battle, but the larger war for the soul of America continues. There are 74 million of us who voted for Trump. We are motivated, strong, we all work, and we all love America - four characteristics that, by definition, neo-liberalism/socialism lacks. We - all 74 million of us - are going to do everything reasonably possible to obstruct, impede, uppercut, thwart, squelch and bring down the Biden/Harris regime. We recognize the difficulties (we don't have the media on our side, for one), but they only strengthen our steely resolve. America is worth it.

Alfred Brauer wrote:

Given the way Pence has acted the last four years, I think it is funny that he got caught in a weasel trap at the very last moment.

it's bloody perfect.

Trump will do everything he can to pin the losses on Michael Pence.

Trump will say 'we had this - the plan was in place...until Pence chickened out!'

and the dumb m/gas will buy into it. Trump will get out of the blame and eliminate a rival, all in one stroke.

I do not feel sorry for pence.

In 2022, there are 34 Senate seats up for election. 20 are now red, 14 (counting Warnock) are now blue.

Two incumbents up for re-election in 2022 have announced that they won't be running again. Both are Republicans in blue/purple states. Toomey in PA and Burr in NC. On top of that, Johnson, R from WI, would seem to be vulnerable, as he is a rabid Trumper in a state that went for Biden. Also, Grassley, R from Iowa, is going to be something like 89, so we'll see if he runs again. If not, Iowa would be another potential pickup for the Democrats. So the Dems have a pretty good chance to pick up these 3-4 seats at least.

On the blue side, Warnock will be seen as vulnerable. Plus, there are Dem incumbents in purplish states that maybe aren't a lock for re-election (CO, NV, NH), although I have no idea how popular these Senators are at home.

All in all, it looks like a somewhat favorable electoral map for the Democrats in the Senate in 2022.