Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

agip wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Trumpers, so what is his defense here? Is he delusional or is he criminal?

the defense is that Trump is in effect a law enforcement officer and his duty is to look into crimes when he sees them.

Trump says as much...that it's an illegal act to issue false election results. Trump is just trying to fix it and stop a crime in progress.

Hero.

Bidenettes stole 1,000's and 1,000's of votes and it's clear as day except for biased Liberals (reverse everything that's been found but put Trump's name there, not Bidenette's----FP and his followers would be on here every day screaming of election fraud)

So, Clintonettes & Bidenettes, what's your defense here? You don't have one. January 6th will be the start of reversing what fraud went on and Trump will remain in Office.

As God is my witness, I rarely read this thread anymore, but...I still thought a few of you left-wingers had some honesty left in your bones but not one of you guys whose posts that I've read in the past can face the facts, the Democrats stole the election, also known as cheated.

Except for the poster named Alan, you guys are lying wimps and probably overweight putzes as well. Wait till Wednesday and if the truth isn't allowed to come to head, I like others predict anarchy which will all be blamed on the Democrats for cheating

Sally Vix wrote:

L L wrote:

You really don't think Trump could find and payoff unethical tax accountants?

They are out there to be found.

And I'm sure Trump can find the best tax criminals money and power can get.

https://www.accountingtoday.com/news/tax-fraud-blotter-what-they-deserve

Trump is worth about $3 billion - but was worth more pre-pandemic. He would risk 40 years in the slammer and go find an unethical attorney who would also risk 40 years in the slammer to save Trump $20 million?

Why would a wealthy guy like Trump cheat a small business out of $83,000.

Or a different small business out of $75,000?

welp wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

After listening to the whole thing I conclude trump is much more buffoon than insane or delusional. He is not even tricking himself because in his world facts are not relevant. The only thing this guy can gauge, and often badly, are positions of power. He thinks POTUS means absolute power and thus has treated the job that way.

Foxnews completely buried this story, no surprise there.

But what is the right's spin on this? How are they going to defend this? "I need you to find 11,780 votes"..... How is this not election fraud?

You got the quote (bolded above) wrong for one thing. It's important to analyze what was actually said when forming opinions as to their meaning. If you look at what he actually said, and you aren't in an anti-Trump frenzy, you may back off on your belief that this conversation somehow constitutes "election fraud." I know it's asking a lot, but if your further analyze the correct quote in the context of the surrounding conversation, you may back off even further.

johnny99 wrote:

Why would a wealthy guy like Trump cheat a small business out of $83,000.

Or a different small business out of $75,000?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

Because every single interaction with another human is an opportunity to "win". He has to feel like he's winning or it undermines his whole being. He's never paid fairly for anything in his life.

The discussion about "Dead people" voting was interesting. Trump's attorney, Cleta Mitchell, said they came up with their list of 4,600 by comparing birth years, but in a population of 5 million voters, that is far from confirmation. Using the birth date instead, would reduce reduce that number to 1/365 or to abiut 10. Even doing that, wouldn't be 100% confirmation.

I'm not a left-winger and try to form my own opinions from a range of sources. Beyond 'I didn't win so there must be fraud", I still haven't seen any evidence of cheating or the biggest, most leak-proof conspiracy the world has ever known on anything like the scale needed to turn over millions of votes.

January 20, 2021: WHEN DREAMS ARE CRUSHED BY REALITY.

liars will pay wrote:

Bidenettes stole 1,000's and 1,000's of votes and it's clear as day except for biased Liberals

Any stolen votes also doesn't seem to be clear to the people that count and certify the votes.

It doesn't seem to be clear to the Republican appointed judges either.

Or governors.

Sally Vix wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

To educate you on the topic for the Nth time, trump is responsible for the numbers provided to those professionals, not them. If they take it upon themselves to fudge numbers on his behalf or they knowingly use numbers they know to be fraudulent then yes they put themselves at risk.

Happy Groundhog Day!

Sooooooo Trump tells his tax attorneys that 550 5th Avenue is worth $1. You think they just might pull up the county appraisal district records and see what it is appraised at or will they just quickly put $1 as its valuation and be done with it?

1. Tax attorneys are not tax preparers. They can be, but that is rare. Which one are you referring to?

2. The numbers given to the tax preparer are owned by the taxpayer, period. They are not required to verify the numbers trump gives them. A prudent tax professional might raise concerns with the taxpayer, might ask them to reconfirm the numbers given to them, and if they suspect the client is being dishonest they likely won't want to work with them. In trump's case, he has been using a shady accounting firm for a long time so I suspect the IRS might find some troubling conduct by them as well but that would not release trump from culpability since he signs the returns. Do you you understand that you can't always outsource responsibility?

It's clear as day except for biased judges (some appointed by Trump) who threw out court cases for lack of evidence.

I, like others, predict m@ga-baby anarchists will be thrown in prison.

Flybang mosh wrote:

welp wrote:

Foxnews completely buried this story, no surprise there.

But what is the right's spin on this? How are they going to defend this? "I need you to find 11,780 votes"..... How is this not election fraud?

You got the quote (bolded above) wrong for one thing. It's important to analyze what was actually said when forming opinions as to their meaning. If you look at what he actually said, and you aren't in an anti-Trump frenzy, you may back off on your belief that this conversation somehow constitutes "election fraud." I know it's asking a lot, but if your further analyze the correct quote in the context of the surrounding conversation, you may back off even further.

Here's the statement, in context:

Trump: OK, whatever, it's a disaster. It's a disaster. Look. Here's the problem. We can go through signature verification and we'll find hundreds of thousands of signatures, if you let us do it. And the only way you can do it, as you know, is to go to the past. But you didn't do that in Cobb County. You just looked at one page compared to another. The only way you can do a signature verification is go from the one that signed it on November whatever. Recently. And compare it to two years ago, four years ago, six years ago, you know, or even one. And you'll find that you have many different signatures. But in Fulton, where they dumped ballots, you will find that you have many that aren't even signed and you have many that are forgeries.

OK, you know that. You know that. You have no doubt about that. And you will find you will be at 11,779 within minutes, because Fulton County is totally corrupt and so is she, totally corrupt.

And they're going around playing you and laughing at you behind your back, Brad, whether you know it or not, they're laughing at you and you've taken a state that's a Republican state, and you've made it almost impossible for a Republican to win because of cheating, because they cheated like nobody's ever cheated before. And I don't care how long it takes me, you know, we're going to have other states coming forward — pretty good.

But I won't ... this is never ... this is ... We have some incredible talent said they've never seen anything ... Now the problem is they need more time for the big numbers. But they're very substantial numbers. But I think you're going to find that they — by the way, a little information, I think you're going to find that they are shredding ballots because they have to get rid of the ballots because the ballots are unsigned. The ballots are corrupt, and they're brand new and they don't have a seal and there's the whole thing with the ballots. But the ballots are corrupt.

And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you're not reporting it. That's a criminal, that's a criminal offense. And you can't let that happen. That's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that's a big risk. But they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I've heard. And they are removing machinery and they're moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal finds. And you can't let it happen and you are letting it happen. You know, I mean, I'm notifying you that you're letting it happen. So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.

And flipping the state is a great testament to our country because, cause you know, this is — it's a testament that they can admit to a mistake or whatever you want to call it. If it was a mistake, I don't know. A lot of people think it wasn't a mistake. It was much more criminal than that. But it's a big problem in Georgia and it's not a problem that's going away. I mean, you know, it's not a problem that's going away.

Being as generous as possible to Trump, it's incoherent gibberish. But a fair interpretation of the statement in context is that he's threatening Raffensperger with criminal liability if he doesn't somehow add enough votes to Trump's tally for Trump to come out the winner. Which sounds like election fraud.

Flybang mosh wrote:

welp wrote:

Foxnews completely buried this story, no surprise there.

But what is the right's spin on this? How are they going to defend this? "I need you to find 11,780 votes"..... How is this not election fraud?

You got the quote (bolded above) wrong for one thing. It's important to analyze what was actually said when forming opinions as to their meaning. If you look at what he actually said, and you aren't in an anti-Trump frenzy, you may back off on your belief that this conversation somehow constitutes "election fraud." I know it's asking a lot, but if your further analyze the correct quote in the context of the surrounding conversation, you may back off even further.

I don't know Sally, go analyze the recording and let us know which specific parts of the conversation you think are totally fine.

You must believe people in the commercial real estate industry are idiots. If Trump claimed his 80% leased office building was only 40% leased, all the tax people would have to do is walk through the building. Just about all the decent office buildings in NYC are closed to 100% leased and the tax people would laugh if Trump claimed his was only 40% leased.

Any lender will require certified rent rolls, cash flow statements, copies of the tax returns and an appraisal before approving a loan. The taxing authorities will also closely review all the documentation and even call for an additional appraisal if they don't believe the available one is accurate.

What you're claiming Trump can do is the same as a residential homeowner teilling a bank his $500K house is worth $1M and walking away with an $800K loan.

There is no question trump already knew before the call that his numbers and arguments didn't add up. He declared so himself that the call was going nowhere. The only reason he called was to threaten the SOS if he didn't do what he wanted. There is absolutely no other reason to point to the prospects of the SOS' election and let him know how it turned out for others who defied him.

Either trump is delusional or he's a crook - it has to be at least one of those.

Sally Vix wrote:

agip wrote:

NYS seems to be working on bank fraud, insurance fraud, tax fraud. Generally speaking, the idea is that Trump would say for tax purposes a building was worth $1...then to the bank (so they would loan him money) Trump would say the same building was worth $10,000,000.

For example.

NYS has hired forensic accountants to track money through the convoluted Trump Org too...suggests tax and money laundering problems.

So his highly paid tax attorneys would risk their careers and possibly freedom and sign off on this fraudulent $1 valuation of this building? Really?

A fundamental problem with the U.S. legal system (and pretty much every other country) is that however unethically Trump and his corporate staff may be shown to have acted, they're unlikely to face consequences beyond a stiff fine to the corporation. It's doubtful that anyone is meaningfully risking their freedom.

White collar criminals rarely face consequences commensurate with that of blue collar criminals.

A. Did you miss the part where I said I was making the numbers up just to make the point. Ma

B. The point isn't mine, and it's not what I believe or don't believe.

From the previously linked Propublica article:

"Documents obtained by ProPublica show stark differences in how Donald Trump’s businesses reported some expenses, profits and occupancy figures for two Manhattan buildings, giving a lender different figures than they provided to New York City tax authorities. The discrepancies made the buildings appear more profitable to the lender — and less profitable to the officials who set the buildings’ property tax."

Flybang mosh wrote:

welp wrote:

Foxnews completely buried this story, no surprise there.

But what is the right's spin on this? How are they going to defend this? "I need you to find 11,780 votes"..... How is this not election fraud?

You got the quote (bolded above) wrong for one thing. It's important to analyze what was actually said when forming opinions as to their meaning. If you look at what he actually said, and you aren't in an anti-Trump frenzy, you may back off on your belief that this conversation somehow constitutes "election fraud." I know it's asking a lot, but if your further analyze the correct quote in the context of the surrounding conversation, you may back off even further.

Well, we may be hearing more about whether this phone call constituted illegal election fraud.

In fact, it is the president who may have opened himself up to legal liability in the phone call, potentially violating federal and state statutes intended to guard against the solicitation of election fraud.

Trollminator wrote:

Flybang mosh wrote:

You got the quote (bolded above) wrong for one thing. It's important to analyze what was actually said when forming opinions as to their meaning. If you look at what he actually said, and you aren't in an anti-Trump frenzy, you may back off on your belief that this conversation somehow constitutes "election fraud." I know it's asking a lot, but if your further analyze the correct quote in the context of the surrounding conversation, you may back off even further.

I don't know Sally, go analyze the recording and let us know which specific parts of the conversation you think are totally fine.

Now, now. Don't get all testy, Brenda. You have a well-known propensity in this thread for going off the rails. None of us want to see that happen here again.

I merely pointed out to Welpie, and impressionable fanatics like yourself, that he quoted the conversation wrong. "I need you to find 11,780 votes" is NOT the same as "I just want to find 11,780 votes . . ."

If you don't understand the difference between those two sentence fragments, let me know. But at least try to understand the substantive difference, before reaching out for help. It's the only way to learn.

The purpose of having an accountant review the financial numbers is to verify the cash flow information provided by the owners. The will send a team of auditors with commercial real estate experience to reconcile the the rent roll with the property income and compare the operating expenses per square foot with those of comparable properties. Cash flows will be tied to bank accounts. All of the documentation for capital expenses will be reviewed and someone will confirm that the work was actually done.

Every single dollar of income and expense for a commercial property is documented and it's impossible for an owner to make up his own numbers as there are too many ways to cross check the numbers.