Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Sally Vix wrote:

I am genuinely curious. Which crimes are going to put Trump in the slammer? We are talking NY state crimes versus federal crimes. Yes?

I know. So many crimes to choose from, right?

The easiest has to be for what his lawyer, Michael Cohen went to jail for when Donald ordered him to make the illegal payments. (not pardoned by Trump because he testified against Trump)

There has also to be the type of tax fraud ad money laundering that his campaign manager Manafort went to jail for. (pardoned by Trump for being loyal)

Or illegal funds transfers that sent his father-in-law Charles Kushner to jail. (pardoned by Trump to make his daughter happy)

L L wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

I am genuinely curious. Which crimes are going to put Trump in the slammer? We are talking NY state crimes versus federal crimes. Yes?

I know. So many crimes to choose from, right?

The easiest has to be for what his lawyer, Michael Cohen went to jail for when Donald ordered him to make the illegal payments. (not pardoned by Trump because he testified against Trump)

There has also to be the type of tax fraud ad money laundering that his campaign manager Manafort went to jail for. (pardoned by Trump for being loyal)

Or illegal funds transfers that sent his father-in-law Charles Kushner to jail. (pardoned by Trump to make his daughter happy)

NYS seems to be working on bank fraud, insurance fraud, tax fraud. Generally speaking, the idea is that Trump would say for tax purposes a building was worth $1...then to the bank (so they would loan him money) Trump would say the same building was worth $10,000,000.

For example.

NYS has hired forensic accountants to track money through the convoluted Trump Org too...suggests tax and money laundering problems.

and now GA can get Trump on election law violations. And maybe the DOJ on similar charges, though probably not.

So his highly paid tax attorneys would risk their careers and possibly freedom and sign off on this fraudulent $1 valuation of this building? Really?

agip wrote:

agip wrote:

NYS seems to be working on bank fraud, insurance fraud, tax fraud. Generally speaking, the idea is that Trump would say for tax purposes a building was worth $1...then to the bank (so they would loan him money) Trump would say the same building was worth $10,000,000.

For example.

NYS has hired forensic accountants to track money through the convoluted Trump Org too...suggests tax and money laundering problems.

and now GA can get Trump on election law violations. And maybe the DOJ on similar charges, though probably not.

Someone on Morning Joe today said the House should immediately vote to impeach him though the Senate would not convict.

Sally Vix wrote:

So his highly paid tax attorneys would risk their careers and possibly freedom and sign off on this fraudulent $1 valuation of this building? Really?

Well his CFO has been granted immunity.

And Manafort had highly paid accounts that prepared fraudulent tax filings.

Sally Vix wrote:

agip wrote:

NYS seems to be working on bank fraud, insurance fraud, tax fraud. Generally speaking, the idea is that Trump would say for tax purposes a building was worth $1...then to the bank (so they would loan him money) Trump would say the same building was worth $10,000,000.

For example.

NYS has hired forensic accountants to track money through the convoluted Trump Org too...suggests tax and money laundering problems.

So his highly paid tax attorneys would risk their careers and possibly freedom and sign off on this fraudulent $1 valuation of this building? Really?

To even suggest that is ridiculous. Trump is NOT doing his tax returns.

Sally Vix wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

So his highly paid tax attorneys would risk their careers and possibly freedom and sign off on this fraudulent $1 valuation of this building? Really?

To even suggest that is ridiculous. Trump is NOT doing his tax returns.

Trump provides the information on which his accountants prepare his tax returns. If he provides fraudulent information, that's problematic for him.

There is no doubt that Trump and his business are being investigated for tax fraud, among other things. Where these investigations will go is anyone's guess. Maybe he is never charged with anything, maybe he gets off with fines, maybe he's indicted on 1/21/21 and faces jail time. We'll have to wait and see.

His increasingly desperate and unhinged behavior to try and overturn the election result suggests to me that he knows he faces serious legal consequences as soon as he leaves office, so he's doing anything he can to delay the inevitable.

agip wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Trumpers, so what is his defense here? Is he delusional or is he criminal?

the defense is that Trump is in effect a law enforcement officer and his duty is to look into crimes when he sees them.

Trump says as much...that it's an illegal act to issue false election results. Trump is just trying to fix it and stop a crime in progress.

Hero.

Of course, and since he's king whatever he believes is criminal gives him cover to break any laws to do something about it. Even trump just contacting the SOS about this election issue might have been illegal to begin with. Gotta love on the call how trump keeps reminding him that it's illegal to produce fake election results. A hero indeed!

Sally Vix wrote:

agip wrote:

NYS seems to be working on bank fraud, insurance fraud, tax fraud. Generally speaking, the idea is that Trump would say for tax purposes a building was worth $1...then to the bank (so they would loan him money) Trump would say the same building was worth $10,000,000.

For example.

NYS has hired forensic accountants to track money through the convoluted Trump Org too...suggests tax and money laundering problems.

So his highly paid tax attorneys would risk their careers and possibly freedom and sign off on this fraudulent $1 valuation of this building? Really?

To educate you on the topic for the Nth time, trump is responsible for the numbers provided to those professionals, not them. If they take it upon themselves to fudge numbers on his behalf or they knowingly use numbers they know to be fraudulent then yes they put themselves at risk.

Happy Groundhog Day!

Sally Vix wrote:

To even suggest that is ridiculous. Trump is NOT doing his tax returns.

We already know you don't know anything, please try not to rub it in

Sally Vix wrote:

Someone on Morning Joe today said the House should immediately vote to impeach him though the Senate would not convict.

And they would be correct to do so. It's their duty to call out his crimes and go after him. The GOP should have to go on record again protecting the criminal.

Trollminator wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

Someone on Morning Joe today said the House should immediately vote to impeach him though the Senate would not convict.

And they would be correct to do so. It's their duty to call out his crimes and go after him. The GOP should have to go on record again protecting the criminal.

Not prosecuting Trump on this makes it harder to prosecute the next would-be tyrant.

None of this is easy. We're in a bad place. Just have to do what will look best in the history books 100 years from now.

Punish the wrongdoer.

Trollminator wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

So his highly paid tax attorneys would risk their careers and possibly freedom and sign off on this fraudulent $1 valuation of this building? Really?

To educate you on the topic for the Nth time, trump is responsible for the numbers provided to those professionals, not them. If they take it upon themselves to fudge numbers on his behalf or they knowingly use numbers they know to be fraudulent then yes they put themselves at risk.

Happy Groundhog Day!

Sooooooo Trump tells his tax attorneys that 550 5th Avenue is worth $1. You think they just might pull up the county appraisal district records and see what it is appraised at or will they just quickly put $1 as its valuation and be done with it?

You really don't think Trump could find and payoff unethical tax accountants?

They are out there to be found.

And I'm sure Trump can find the best tax criminals money and power can get.

https://www.accountingtoday.com/news/tax-fraud-blotter-what-they-deserve

L L wrote:

You really don't think Trump could find and payoff unethical tax accountants?

They are out there to be found.

And I'm sure Trump can find the best tax criminals money and power can get.

https://www.accountingtoday.com/news/tax-fraud-blotter-what-they-deserve

Trump is worth about $3 billion - but was worth more pre-pandemic. He would risk 40 years in the slammer and go find an unethical attorney who would also risk 40 years in the slammer to save Trump $20 million?

Sally Vix wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

To educate you on the topic for the Nth time, trump is responsible for the numbers provided to those professionals, not them. If they take it upon themselves to fudge numbers on his behalf or they knowingly use numbers they know to be fraudulent then yes they put themselves at risk.

Happy Groundhog Day!

Sooooooo Trump tells his tax attorneys that 550 5th Avenue is worth $1. You think they just might pull up the county appraisal district records and see what it is appraised at or will they just quickly put $1 as its valuation and be done with it?

As I understand it, Trump tells the tax people that the building he owns is only 40% rented, at an average rent of $4000 per month. Then he tells the loan people that the building is 80% rented, at an average rent of $8000 per month (I'm making the numbers up, but the point remains).

This practice is, apparently, illegal.

"Documents obtained by ProPublica show stark differences in how Donald Trump’s businesses reported some expenses, profits and occupancy figures for two Manhattan buildings, giving a lender different figures than they provided to New York City tax authorities. The discrepancies made the buildings appear more profitable to the lender — and less profitable to the officials who set the buildings’ property tax."

Sally Vix wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

To educate you on the topic for the Nth time, trump is responsible for the numbers provided to those professionals, not them. If they take it upon themselves to fudge numbers on his behalf or they knowingly use numbers they know to be fraudulent then yes they put themselves at risk.

Happy Groundhog Day!

Sooooooo Trump tells his tax attorneys that 550 5th Avenue is worth $1. You think they just might pull up the county appraisal district records and see what it is appraised at or will they just quickly put $1 as its valuation and be done with it?

Sally, you're finally correct about something. The other party can,and will, use comparable sales and analyze Trump's property's cash flow statements and rent rolls to come up with their own estimates. Trump's opinions (lies) of his property values are irrelevant.

Sally Vix wrote:

Trump is worth about $3 billion - but was worth more pre-pandemic. He would risk 40 years in the slammer and go find an unethical attorney who would also risk 40 years in the slammer to save Trump $20 million?

I provided a link with people going to jail for less of a gain.

And Trump sure is acting like a person afraid of going to jail right now.

He is desperately, desperately trying to overturn the election and stay in office where it has been proven that he won't be indicted for crimes and Republicans would never convict him on impeachment.