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Interesting about HR today since the PE's I haven't pushed anything to ge to a max but today I ran a mile indoors

I ran 6:31 felt kind of ragged but I knew I had to start somewhere. Last 200 was 41 witht he last 50 burning. I was motivated because I didn't want to lose to a guy who looked older and fatter then me...

Anyways hit 184 which is the highest I hit since August

28 easy miles this week

strong run this weekend. 31:26 for 10km.

Yeah I’d say!

Great shares this week everyone. I’m pleased at how carefully people here read each others’ posts.

Kansas City is a snow globe winter wonderland right now. “This is the BEST recovery week ever!!” That said, I know I’m about a week away from a Wyoming sized case of cabin fever, and then it will be back to hobby jogging disguised as running.

Thanks for the insights on speed. I’m going to give that walk-strides routine to the Missus.

he was juiced out of his mind when he ran 2:08 marathon. Im sure nothing has changed

Fiz also won his age group in all six WMM.

Here is my take on the 90 yr old cyclist. The argument is that he is not gaining any advantage over his competition, because he is the only competitor in his age group. That's true for the moment. But he also broke the AG world record. That means he has advantage over future 90 yr olds who will try to break his record.

Anyway, a hobby jogger like myself will not have to worry about issues like that.

M:off.

T-SA: 6 miles.

SU: 8.8 miles.

Six miles of legit hobby jogging on treadmill from Tuesday to Saturday, and 14km on track on Sunday. The first km was 6:05 and the last was 4:49. They are slight improvement from 6:18 and 4:54 from last week over a longer distance. Now I have to decide whether I want to do 16km on track next Sunday, or I move to the paved loop in a park.

RF reader wrote:

Here is my take on the 90 yr old cyclist. The argument is that he is not gaining any advantage over his competition, because he is the only competitor in his age group. That's true for the moment. But he also broke the AG world record. That means he has advantage over future 90 yr olds who will try to break his record.

You're right....keep in mind, though, he wasn't banned for doping but given a "public warning" for a strict liability infraction. The contaminated meat he consumed the night before contained traces of trenbolone (anabolic steroid used by farmers to beef up livestock) in the follow-up done. He also provided a dietary supplement that he was taking that was contaminated with traces of the banned substance clomiphene. Because his sample tested positive IC, the WR & titles were taken away and the warning issued.

I don't know about you guys but I take a lot of supplements myself (e.g., glucosamine, saw palmetto, amino acids, etc.). Though I buy my supplements from reputable companies that carry the Good Manufacturering Practice label (GMP), I don't have them tested at a lab so they could possibly be contaminated with trace amounts of banned substances. I guess that's the risk you take with dietary supplements these days unless you have them individually tested. Now I don't eat red meat but consume other animal products - which just as well could be contaminated also (who's going to have their food tested before buying it. Lol).

Here's a good article on Grove with an insightful interview. He seems like a good Joe - what a great outlook he has on keeping fit at his age:

More on the supplement he was taking:

https://deadspin.com/90-year-old-cyclist-stripped-of-world-record-after-fail-1831555605

Just finishing up a night shift so have taken control of a work computer to post.

It has been very hot here, 42 deg C yesterday, expecting hotter today.

Mon. 1 hr 50 mins of testing kayaking. Lots of scrambling up and over huge fallen river gums.

Tue. 50 km / 2 hr ride with 715 metres elevation gain. 38 deg C ( about 100 F).

Wed. 15 km trail run 1 hr 30 mins.

Thu. 40 min kayak then a 37 min bike ride.

Fri. 1 hr 20 min hilly mtb ride.

Sat. Drove out to Woodend to run Mt Macedon. 40 deg C at home but only 24 deg at Woodend 70 kms away. 11km run 580 metres elevation gain 1hr 30 mins.

Sun. 10 km relaxed trail run in 57 mins only 36 deg C.

Squeezed in a decent ride Monday morning before it hit 40 then a kayak session. Worked night shift Monday night so didn't get out until 6 pm for a ride yesterday, 40 at the start but down to 38 by the time I finished.

Supplements. I don't take much of anything. Pumpkin seed oil every day and usually a fizzy electrolyte tab in some water in the evening.

We aren't gonna be tested unless we perform at elite age group levels. So any contamination of food or supplements will go unnoticed. We did have a member of this little forum get suspended for a doping violation a few years ago. The athlete was competing successfully at a major event at the time of the testing though.

Liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti yummy

Amazing dude is gonna shoot for 18 miles in an hour now that I am going to follow.

At what age do we quit testing? Would that be a form of age discrimination? ie you are so old we do not care what you ingest.

Legalize all PEDS get the pharmaceutical companies to sponsor track meets the EPO HGH Red Bull Viagra 5000 watch a 90 year old woman break 15 then do a back flip. I want what she is having. The Tour would be spinning . NFL MLB NBA all of em.

A lot o' people don't realize what's really going on. They view life as a bunch o' unconnected incidents 'n things. They don't realize that there's this, like, lattice o' coincidence that lays on top o' everything. Give you an example; show you what I mean: suppose you're thinkin' about a plate o' shrimp. Suddenly someone'll say, like, "plate," or "shrimp," or "plate o' shrimp" out of the blue, no explanation. No point in lookin' for one, either. It's all part of a cosmic unconsciousness.

Supplements: I never have taken anything other than some plain-vanilla vitamins and minerals. For the past 10 years or so, all I've been taking is 500 mg of calcium per day. With my light weight, small bone structure and pale skin I really do worry about bone health. Otherwise, I just eat food. Mostly, but not entirely, reasonably healthy food by most people's standards. I eat almost zero red meat (once a month or less) but I do eat a lot of poultry and seafood. Nuts, whole grains, yogurt, veggies, not as much fruit as I should. My real weakness is sweet stuff, ranging from trail mix and granola that have some redeeming nutritional value, to cookies and pastries that have very little. I just try to limit the quantities of the bad stuff.

I take a single multivitamin and that is all. Glucosamine shot my blood pressure up like a rocket. I don't think it's a coincidence that I had zero injuries in all of 2018 after I stopped my statin med. Although its a rat study, statins were proven to weaken Achilles tendons and reduce the ability of tendons to recover. I do not take Aspirin, ibuprofen, or Tylenol. Aspirin can cause macular degeneration and affect gut health, and ibuprofen is hard on the stomach. I don't drink since Alcohol causes cancer but I'd get my head chopped off if I advocated other people not drinking. I DO believe people have the right to put any danged thing in their body they want as long as they are not harming anyone or any thing.

As to the PED discussion? The tests are going to get super cheap and WADA will be able to test more people. Just like driving, competing in a sanctioned event is a privilege, not a right.

After my lymphoma diagnosis I recieved a lot of dietary advice. My medical team took an opposite position to most recommendations by promoting a well balanced diet. I found some foods created havoc during chemotherapy and radiotherapy. Some foods promoted heartburn while others diarrhea. On my drive and walk into work I had my emergency restrooms identified. This was necessitated by an event during my first trip to the office after chemotherapy. I will spare you the crappy details. For a time I developed an aversion to foods that I associated with digestive distress, but that has dissipated over time. Three months post last treatment I am gradually returning to a normal gut. I eat yogurt most days to help restore the natural gut bacteria, otherwise a good mixture of the basic five. I remain a moderate drinker (a glass of wine most evenings) , eat red meat (3-4 evening meals a week), and use sun screen sporadically. I do protect my skin from extreme sun exposure with a wide brim hat and long sleeves. I have taken low dose Levothyroxin for seventeen years for hypothyrodism. I take a multi-vitamin and fish oil. Other than my disease diagnosis my labs are generally excellent.

I have never used weed killers or bug killers frequently, but have refinished furniture and used oil based paints. I had a serious case of mononucleosis as an eighteen year old that forced me to take incompletes my freshman year and quit running for six months. The mononucleosis was the result of training hard, going to school, and working. Mononucleosis is one marker for some types lymphoma, but not necessarily my disease. There are dozens of antigens and genetic material that can be involved in B-Cell Lymphoma. Many of these markers are identified in close to 40% of the population that never get the disease. At this point science cannot pinpoint the source of my disease or identify life style behaviors that will insure that the disease does not return.

Mopak - I was going to comment on your previous post when you said it was 38C but this week you report it's even hotter. More power to you for getting out in that heat. Hope the humidity wasn't too high.

Rtype wrote:

I do not take Aspirin, ibuprofen, or Tylenol. Aspirin can cause macular degeneration and affect gut health, and ibuprofen is hard on the stomach. I don't drink since Alcohol causes cancer but I'd get my head chopped off if I advocated other people not drinking. I DO believe people have the right to put any danged thing in their body they want as long as they are not harming anyone or any thing.

I take over the counter pain meds very rarely (once per year?) and never when I'm running. I figure if I hurt enough to need meds, I have no business running. And I, too, do not drink, in my case just because I don't like the taste of alcohol. I can tolerate wine but I find both beer and hard liquor repulsive. Fortunately the pressure to drink in social situations has gone from rather strong to essentially zero over the 40 years of my drinking-age life.

Anyone here do this race last weekend? ?

https://www.odditycentral.com/events/runners-compete-in-worlds-coldest-race-at-52-degrees-celsius.html

I missed signing up for this and then, of course, figuring out how to get there. Four-wheel drive SUV? Snowmobile? Snowsled? ? There was a 71 year old there that won his age group! (the only entrant. Lol) - so any of you fellas 70 & up would have had some serious competition. ?

I don't care what people say about the Russians...they're one tough customers!

RF reader wrote:

Fiz also won his age group in all six WMM.

This running a marathon in a business suit is a thing, I guess ...

https://youtu.be/w0aMSkutwFo

KCgeezer wrote:

This running a marathon in a business suit is a thing, I guess ...

https://youtu.be/w0aMSkutwFo

MikeF’s brother: