Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Well here is something of interest.

The COVID + Government funding bill goes to the WH on 12-24.

If Trump ignores it then something called a pocket veto happens. A pocket veto lasts 10 days, excluding Sundays. This is in the Constitution.

Trump going pocket veto means Congress cannot vote to override the veto until Jan 4th.

Meanwhile government stops being funded until the pocket veto is up.

The current Congressional session ends the day before on Jan 3rd. This means the funding bills are dead and must be redone under the next Congress with new votes and new members present.

The only way out of the above mess is to give Trump some things he wants.

1. $2000 stimulus checks rather than $600 (already asked for)

2. Funding for Ivanka's project (already asked for but denied)

3. Allow a self-pardon? (maybe?)

https://twitter.com/RobbieGramer/status/1341799623019511809

https://occupydemocrats.com/2020/12/23/busted-trump-threatened-to-torpedo-spending-bill-unless-a-pet-project-of-ivankas-was-shoehorned-in/

Watch and weep 3 stooges

https://twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1341914721604136960?s=21

The man who would be king.

Raggedman wrote:

And now he’s pardoned Manafort and Jared Kushners dad and upgraded Stones commutation to a pardon. Manafort was a good little pawn and kept mum and got his pardon while Gates cooperated and is left hanging.

After the Collins and Hunter pardons yesterday it’s clear that as far as Trump is concerned it doesn’t matter how corrupt a politician you are you’re free and clear as long as you support the Great Orange Menace. I guarantee that there won’t be a single voice against these pardons from any R’s in congress.

Thereby confirming the US' status as as a banana republic and making it the biggest laughing stock of 2020.

Trollminator wrote:

Watch and weep 3 stooges

https://twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1341914721604136960?s=21

I enjoyed that. Christmas present?

kushnerspimp wrote:

Raggedman wrote:

And now he’s pardoned Manafort and Jared Kushners dad and upgraded Stones commutation to a pardon. Manafort was a good little pawn and kept mum and got his pardon while Gates cooperated and is left hanging.

After the Collins and Hunter pardons yesterday it’s clear that as far as Trump is concerned it doesn’t matter how corrupt a politician you are you’re free and clear as long as you support the Great Orange Menace. I guarantee that there won’t be a single voice against these pardons from any R’s in congress.

Thereby confirming the US' status as as a banana republic and making it the biggest laughing stock of 2020.

Abusing your pardon power to subvert justice and to curry personal favor is probably an impeachable offence.

The best words to describe Trump came from Agip, "a piece of garbage"

Okay I need to get back into the Christmas spirit. Thinking about Trump is taking me out of it.

agip wrote:

Seriously. That is what he is doing. What times we live in, what a piece of garbage is our president.

What's next? Sabatoge of the GA elections in favor of the Ds? To get back at the Rs?

Probably not, but one tweet from Trump and the D's control the senate. Mitch has to tread carefully.

Good posts gents. Unelected people decide the fate of our republic everyday so I really don't see the issue. Btw - this is often how it goes in current strong democracies. The head of state has obvious power but if caught breaking the law his peers can't come to his rescue. The people we elect are much more easily corruptible, and as we have seen with the GOP, some even think it's their job to be corrupt. But look at where the Trump horror show finally stopped. It wasn't with the election but with the courts. It's perhaps the strongest part of our system. All those Republican judges (some Trump-appointed ones) did the right thing in the end. SCOTUS did the right thing by not even considering that ridiculous Texas case. They proved to be very effective defenders of our constitution. Had the judicial system failed, trump's coup attempt might have worked.

And correct on the perception of the POTUS being some all powerful entity. They are all civil servants.

Btw - I don't think we can compare the impeachment process to a normal judicial process. That's exactly my point. Trump would have not become or remained POTUS if he was subject to the same laws as everyone else. He would have joined Michael Cohen.

nonequals wrote:

reer wrote:

But aren't they supposed to be making decisions based on matters of law? Elected representatives have a strong incentive to make political decisions so that they can get re-elected. A judge (i.e. someone appointed/approved by elected officials, so indirectly elected by the people) would only have to answer to the law.

I'm not saying there aren't other pros/cons to this approach, but there's a clear conflict of interest in relying on popularly elected representatives to determine if a president broke the law.

First thought: While they were obviously incredibly smart men, and they got it right for over 200 years, it's quite surprising to me that they didn't/couldn't imagine a partisan congress (it only takes one branch) to side with a badly flawed President. And voila, you have someone truly above the law.

This don't think this is really historically accurate. The original Federalists v Republicans was an extremely and infamously partisan battle. The Republicans accused Washington of being a monarchist and Jefferson went out his way to subvert him. Both parties went full retard after the Jay Treaty and things didn't really settle down until after 1812. The idea that someone could end up above the law was pretty much the vanguard idea of the late 18th century. It was an interesting time for sure

Raggedman wrote:

agip wrote:

honestly, the section 230 issue seems more important to him and the trumpists than supporting the confederacy.

Which, of course, is insane. Section 230 is what is supposed to keep online forums that allow public comment from being sued for what users post. With that provision removed it makes it almost mandatory for platforms like Twitter to flag/ban/delete posts. If he got what he wanted a lot more of the unfounded garbage he posts would be removed.

Same goes for all of his talk about loosening libel/slander laws. He large a** would be in court constantly.

Repeal Section 230 and Let's Run essentially dies a quiet death. All of the forum posts will be either "Congrats Elite Runner for a Good Race!" or "What workouts should I run to get faster?". Any trolling, banter, name calling, speculation, criticism of public figures, or veiled accusations of wrongdoing would be immediately deleted. If anything slipped through, the lawsuits would crush this place.

Lock them up.

That's a great point about the courts having JUST showed themselves to be "better" than politicians (with the election stuff). I wasn't even thinking of that when I wrote. Not saying that it settles a thorough pros/cons analysis, but an awfully good data point - and the contrast in performances between the two entities was HUGE. Would be very interesting to hear what "legal experts" think about treating presidents much more like everyone else, legally?

So when the Manhattan DA tried to pursue a mortgage fraud case against Manafort, he was told by the intermediate court that he did not demonstrate the state charges warranted an exception to double jeopardy protections. But now that Manafort was pardoned on this federal charges, can this case be reopened?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/manhattan-da-appeals-manafort-dismissal-ny-s-high-court-n1249006

nonequals wrote:

agip wrote:

Why has trump vetoed the defense bill and thrown Mitch under the bus by siding with Pelosi on the COVID relief bill?

Apparently the president is punishing the Rs for not being sufficiently loyal to him as he plays at coup.

Seriously. That is what he is doing. What times we live in, what a piece of garbage is our president.

What's next? Sabatoge of the GA elections in favor of the Ds? To get back at the Rs?

Here's hoping! As a life long conservative, I NEVER would have thought that I'd ever come CLOSE to hoping for complete D control. Yet here we are. Congratulations, Republicans!

Another lifelong conservative here, from a conservative family.

I am disgusted that the Republican Party has become the party of deep corruption and complete amorality, and that they have backed a womanizing girly coward, who mocks the military, and has no regard for ethics at all, and how clearly and openly is attempting to overthrow our democracy for his own personal gain.

I voted straight anti-R, and I wonder how long I will continue to do so.

I feel that my dead Republican parents and grandparents would turn over in their grave if I did not oppose these criminals in every election at every level.

Another thing about Manafort (and Stone). Since Mueller identified "danging a pardon" as an example of obstruction of justice, these pardons can be used as evidence of obstruction, and Manafort and Stone can be subpoenaed to testify to the grand jury. And if they lie under oath there, they will be charged with perjury.

It's hard to imagine all those pardons do not motivate the career DOJ people to prosecute Trump. Those prosecutors are human and they know when they are insulted. You could argue that they should set their emotion aside, but Trump did not just insult the DOJ prosecutors. He also insulted our criminal justice system. And that could be a legitimate reason to pursue his prosecution.

Dan Kahneman wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Watch and weep 3 stooges

https://twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1341914721604136960?s=21

I enjoyed that. Christmas present?

Yep, merry xmas

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

Another thing about Manafort (and Stone). Since Mueller identified "danging a pardon" as an example of obstruction of justice, these pardons can be used as evidence of obstruction, and Manafort and Stone can be subpoenaed to testify to the grand jury. And if they lie under oath there, they will be charged with perjury.

It's hard to imagine all those pardons do not motivate the career DOJ people to prosecute Trump. Those prosecutors are human and they know when they are insulted. You could argue that they should set their emotion aside, but Trump did not just insult the DOJ prosecutors. He also insulted our criminal justice system. And that could be a legitimate reason to pursue his prosecution.

I read somewhere Mueller’s team figured the pardons would come and crafted the investigations to consider that. Perhaps FP’a biggest I told you so is not that trump would lose but that Mueller is coming.

And I guess with these pardons Dems should be aggressive to right these injustices even if just to test the ongoing GOP loyalty.

Lol, just to keep the con going

https://www.westernjournal.com/twj-exclusive-bombshell-new-legal-memo-giving-trump-supporters-hope-christmas-eve/