Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

It's not over. Fraud vitiates everything.

This thread reads like thehill-dot-com or the NYT message boards. Sad. You bullied the best posters away.

MSM has vilified our pres. Shameful. People who know him like Jack N. know he's a decent guy.

Continue your Orange Man Bad echo chamber.

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I agree, the use of the word "effective" is misplaced. Having an effect is not the same. Trump is a bungler; he bungled everything he did. Purporting to lead the country is just another of his serial failures.

Ghost of Disco wrote:

It's not over. Fraud vitiates everything.

This thread reads like thehill-dot-com or the NYT message boards. Sad. You bullied the best posters away.

MSM has vilified our pres. Shameful. People who know him like Jack N. know he's a decent guy.

Continue your Orange Man Bad echo chamber.

I agree. Fraud vitiates everything. That is what Trump has done to the country for the past 4 years - and it goes on. But there is no election fraud that he speaks of - except in the minds of his deluded followers, such as yourself.

Flybang mosh wrote:

1101 wrote:

Thanks for the link. I read the article. As much as I hate to say it, the article pretty solidly backs up the Flagpole hypothesis.

According to the article, it's all about race - a society-wide reaction to the sense that "white culture" is being overwhelmed by "brown culture"; that whites are losing their own nation.

Hold on a second. Why does FlatPole get the credit for the race hypothesis? Trollminator has been here day in and day out saying all 74 million Trump voters are de facto racists. He has been unwavering with his strident accusation. I think the guy is a childish, half-baked shut-in, but he deserves credit where credit is due.

You are wrong oh butthurt one. I have been saying we had 74 million morons voting for trump. I agree a huge chunk of them are racists (openly or closet) but I have not repeated that everyday. FP gets the credit.

And you, well, you’re just a catastrophic loser, having voted for an orange makeup plastered “man” who can’t stop whining and never takes responsibility. Shed those tears tzee! ???????

1101 wrote:

The notion that saying that my ancestry is "American" is somehow "a tacit indictment that (you) cannot be a real American because (you) cannot trace any ancestry in the United States" strikes me as bizarre. Sounds as if you are trying to take offense.

I am not trying to take offense. But I am over-sensitive about this, and probably a bit paranoid. I have been asked "where are you really from?" and "when are you going back home?" so many times that I have got tired of those questions. It has been especially worse in the last 4-5 years.

I wish most people who believe in their American ancestry are like you. Unfortunately, I am afraid you are in the minority. Many people claim their American ancestry as a political statement. I have also heard over the years many white Americans refer to other white Americans simply as "American" while adding some qualifying terms to non-white Americans. And of course, there is obsession with "US born" on this board as well as other places.

It's good that you don't think about your ancestry at all. I didn't think about it when I was part of the majority in my former country. But now that has changed because other people constantly remind me of that.

I agree that "Native Americans" are Asians in terms of origin. I am often mistaken for a Native American, sometimes even by Native people. But race is a social category. Yes, we are all from somewhere else. That means we should welcome every one who wants to join us. But that's easy for me to say, as one of the newest comers. People who have been living here for generations did not choose to be born in a "nation of ideas." Many of them wish they had been born in a nation of "blood and soil." That was not an option for them. I guess I should consider myself lucky that I could leave a nation of "blood and soil" behind, and join a nation of ideas on my own choice.

This is a really interesting article about the President's mental health and outlook on life: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/20/trump-white-house-losing-448903

Just inserting a random note here: Though she is Mitch McConnell's wife--a datum that no doubt was a major factor in her selection for the Cabinet--Elaine Chao was actually very well qualified for her post as Secretary of Transportation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Chao

To play devil's advocate, I believe (and said so at the time) that much of Trump's base wanted to essentially burn down the federal government. While I think that's insane, it's hard to say Trump hasn't been pretty effective in doing so.

As far as federal judge appointments, I'd give most of the credit to Mitch McConnell who managed to leave a lot of openings during the latter half of the Obama administration and to fill them quickly when he had a Republican president, but it didn't have to be Trump. Anti-democratic as it may be, he's unquestionably effective in wielding political power.

But but but the elites.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrats-wanted-tax-credit-low-144600306.html

range wrote:

This is a really interesting article about the President's mental health and outlook on life:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/20/trump-white-house-losing-448903

I guess we don't need to read about the state of his neck... and to think this guy is considered an "alpha" on the right.

Monkeys typing wrote:

To play devil's advocate, I believe (and said so at the time) that much of Trump's base wanted to essentially burn down the federal government. While I think that's insane, it's hard to say Trump hasn't been pretty effective in doing so.

As far as federal judge appointments, I'd give most of the credit to Mitch McConnell who managed to leave a lot of openings during the latter half of the Obama administration and to fill them quickly when he had a Republican president, but it didn't have to be Trump. Anti-democratic as it may be, he's unquestionably effective in wielding political power.

The libertarian types definitely wanted him to burn down the government and to them he was very successful. The rest were apparently at worst indifferent to it based on the election results.

To your other point, I think it is important to understand who actually exercised more power in the end. I think the GOP played him from beginning to end, even though it continues to be a big gamble. They let him become president. Then they let him break the kitchen to his heart's desire. Then they let him off the hook when he was impeached. Then they pretended to be behind him when he lost while outperforming in the Senate and House races. Now they will pretend to carry the trumpism torch and use his popularity to continue power grabbing where possible. He got used in the end and look how much criming, brainwashing and consolidation of power they achieved. Was it risky? Sure. Did they have a choice? Sure, they could have taken a stand against him and ensured his loss against HRC. But why would they have done that when there was so much to gain from using him as a puppet? They know the american people would lose in the end, but since when has looking out for the country ever been their priority?

Trump was their useful idiot and will continue to be one.

Great post! Couldn't agree more.

Thanks for joining us in the great American experiment! You are welcome here, my friend.

Trump never won the popular vote,

Trump was impeached

Trump is a one-termer

How's that for a record? Stands alone in the ranks of presidents.

agip wrote:

Trump never won the popular vote,

Trump was impeached

Trump is a one-termer

How's that for a record? Stands alone in the ranks of presidents.

He does keep braying that no one has ever accomplished more than him!

Banned in 60 Seconds wrote:

agip wrote:

Trump never won the popular vote,

Trump was impeached

Trump is a one-termer

How's that for a record? Stands alone in the ranks of presidents.

He does keep braying that no one has ever accomplished more than him!

Has more on-the-record lies than any other President

Tired of all the winning

Banned in 60 Seconds wrote:

agip wrote:

Trump never won the popular vote,

Trump was impeached

Trump is a one-termer

How's that for a record? Stands alone in the ranks of presidents.

He does keep braying that no one has ever accomplished more than him!

This is at the heart of what i was trying to say.

And use of the word 'ineffective' - what i intended to mean is that he was not effective at creating anything lasting or tangible of his own creation, at least not to the level of former presidents (i.e.L ACA with Obama). But as others have pointed out, he was at least marginally effective at disrupting things and unwinding the work of others, which was certainly part of his campaign promise. But he couldn't really even make a dent on the ACA, as much as he would have liked to.

Trollminator wrote:

Flybang mosh wrote:

Hold on a second. Why does FlatPole get the credit for the race hypothesis? Trollminator has been here day in and day out saying all 74 million Trump voters are de facto racists. He has been unwavering with his strident accusation. I think the guy is a childish, half-baked shut-in, but he deserves credit where credit is due.

You are wrong oh butthurt one. I have been saying we had 74 million morons voting for trump. I agree a huge chunk of them are racists (openly or closet) but I have not repeated that everyday. FP gets the credit.

And you, well, you’re just a catastrophic loser, having voted for an orange makeup plastered “man” who can’t stop whining and never takes responsibility. Shed those tears tzee! ???????

Don't sell yourself short, Monochrome. You deserve as much credit as FlatPole for continuous reiteration of the all-Trump-voters-are-racist meme. You've both said it so much, you've even got others starting to believe you invented, rather than imported it. That's not a small accomplishment from a posting perspective.

Interesting story.

One of the voting machine companies is suing right wing media for defaming it.

According to the NYT, it could cost red media a lot of money, and more importantly, establish a precedent that says 'if you lie about a party in terms of fabulist politics...you can do that, but it wil cost you milllions.'

Could be a solid first amendment-safe way to shut up the raving red media types.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/20/business/media/smartmatic-lawsuit-fox-news-newsmax-oan.html?surface=most-popular&fellback=false&req_id=261189681&algo=bandit-all-surfaces-30min&variant=3_bandit-all-surfaces-30min_daysback_4&imp_id=672993426&action=click&module=Most%20Popular&pgtype=Homepage