Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Flybang mosher wrote:

nonequals wrote:

I'll answer. Correct. You and I have been lied to by Trump (and increasingly, his supporters) on an often-hourly basis for 4-5 years. More recently, Trump has been crushed in court dozens of times for producing nothing. If this report has great stuff in it, I'll hear about it in one or more successful court cases. That's a far more efficient use of my/our time than the 99.9% certainty that we'd be wasting our time reading this particular piece of crap. Clear enough?

Question: Why do you support a leader and others who VERY openly lie to you on an hourly basis? COMPLETELY take you for fools. Isn't that embarrassing? Shows a lack of self respect? Other bad things......

You've made the rookie mistake of assuming (or deliberately pretending) that the Navarro Report is co-dependent on "court cases." I don't believe that is the case.

Look man, if you want to bury your head in the sand, that's fine. You just need to be upfront about it, instead of heckling and insulting those who provide you information.

Flybang mosher wrote:

Dan Kahneman wrote:

Rigged, Mosher.

How many courts cases, how many times have you been lied to about evidence that will turn the election? How many times did you have your hopes dashed? 49 court cases saying nothing is there. Crazy bizarre theories that one after another are shown to be fake. What will it take for you to understand!

And you think my head is buried in the sand? That is so rich in irony!

Rigged & Mosher, Trump has repeatedly lied and played you. On some level you have to know that he is a phony, a conman. RIght?

Any good evidence would have been brought to the courts, but nothing has been. There is no new VALID evidence that just got discovered after the electoral college vote.

It's over. When trump says it's not over, he is playing you.

You can call me Flybang. No need for formality here.

Trump is trying to maintain his presidency. That's what he is clearly doing and what he has said he is doing. I'm all for his efforts - I am in concurrence. So I don't see how I've been played, lied to or conned. Remember, Daniel, that "to WIN a war, you have to BE a war." Words to live by.

As to whether he is a conman in general, I haven't been interested enough to follow the allegations against his businesses. Does he play the long game? That would be important to know.

welp wrote:

Flybang mosher wrote:

Look man, if you want to bury your head in the sand, that's fine. You just need to be upfront about it, instead of heckling and insulting those who provide you information.

Alright, I'll play your game. That report is nonsense. Not easy to read in one sitting, so I looked at a couple of conservative media outlets to see how they interpret it. This is from Citizen WElls:

From the findings of this report, it is possible to infer what may well have been a coordinated strategy to effectively stack the election deck against the Trump-Pence ticket. Indeed, the observed patterns of election irregularities are so consistent across the six battleground states that they suggest a coordinated strategy to, if not steal the election outright, strategically game the election

process in such a way as to “stuff the ballot box” and unfairly tilt the playing field in favor of the Biden-Harris ticket

Possible to infer....... may well have been.........suggest........

You seed the language being used by this VERY right leaning website? There is ZERO evidence of anything. Just "possibilities" and "suggestions."

You've been had my friend. Conned. They hole you have fallen into is so deep that I guess you might as well keep digging. But, you're on the wrong side of history now and future generations will look back at this, at you, and will wonder "WTF"...

Dan Kahneman wrote:

Flybang mosher wrote:

You can call me Flybang. No need for formality here.

Trump is trying to maintain his presidency. That's what he is clearly doing and what he has said he is doing. I'm all for his efforts - I am in concurrence. So I don't see how I've been played, lied to or conned. Remember, Daniel, that "to WIN a war, you have to BE a war." Words to live by.

As to whether he is a conman in general, I haven't been interested enough to follow the allegations against his businesses. Does he play the long game? That would be important to know.

I find your post very intriguing. I have had a fundamental question about the trump effect that has been a conundrum to me. How can so many people not see that trump is a pathological liar who has repeatedly conned them.

One theory is that those in the trump cult lack intelligence and are uninformed or are filled with bias or hate.

Dan Kahneman wrote:

I know your level of intelligence is aware of the times Trump declared that he won decisively, not just that there are irregularities, every half brain idea of fraud he pushes like its the final truth proving he won, he claims that he will turn this election award, and all the while he asks for money. That's just a very small sample of his history of lies too. I am sure there are many who think as you do. You use your intelligence not to determine whether you have been conned or not, you use your intelligence to figure out a way to believe that you haven't been lied to.

I am truly puzzled and I don't think there are simple answers for this that apply to everyone.

agip wrote:

Trumpists = Traitors.

Defense Secretary Chris Miller ordered a Pentagon-wide halt to cooperation with the transition of President-elect Biden, shocking officials across the Defense Department, senior administration officials tell Axios.

Behind the scenes: A top Biden official was unaware of the directive. Administration officials left open the possibility cooperation would resume after a holiday pause. The officials were unsure what prompted Miller's action, or whether President Trump approved.

Why it matters: Miller's move, which stunned officials throughout the Pentagon, was the biggest eruption yet of animus and mistrust toward the Biden team from the top level of the Trump administration.

What happened: Meetings between President Trump's team and the Biden team are going on throughout the government, after a delayed start as the administration dragged its feet on officially recognizing Biden as president-elect.

Then on Thursday night, Miller — who was appointed Nov. 9, when Trump fired Defense Secretary Mark Esper right after the election — ordered officials throughout the building to cancel scheduled transition meetings.

Flybang mosher wrote:

Dan Kahneman wrote:

I find your post very intriguing. I have had a fundamental question about the trump effect that has been a conundrum to me. How can so many people not see that trump is a pathological liar who has repeatedly conned them.

One theory is that those in the trump cult lack intelligence and are uninformed or are filled with bias or hate.

That's the only theory I'm aware of. I haven't seen any competing theories posted in this thread. I have at least one competing theory, but haven't felt comfortable posting it due to fears of unmerciful mockage.

Dan Kahneman wrote:

I know your level of intelligence is aware of the times Trump declared that he won decisively, not just that there are irregularities, every half brain idea of fraud he pushes like its the final truth proving he won, he claims that he will turn this election award, and all the while he asks for money. That's just a very small sample of his history of lies too. I am sure there are many who think as you do. You use your intelligence not to determine whether you have been conned or not, you use your intelligence to figure out a way to believe that you haven't been lied to.

I am truly puzzled and I don't think there are simple answers for this that apply to everyone.

Maybe it's best not to puzzle things out so much, Daniel. For it is "[ours] not to reason why, [ours] but to do or die." (Lord Tennyson - Charge of Light Brigade).

welp wrote:

Flybang mosher wrote:

Trump is trying to maintain his presidency. That's what he is clearly doing and what he has said he is doing. I'm all for his efforts - I am in concurrence. So I don't see how I've been played, lied to or conned. Remember, Daniel, that "to WIN a war, you have to BE a war." Words to live by.

Trump is daft, but he is intelligent enough to know he didn't win and won't be in the White House in about a month's time.

So, no, he ain't trying to maintain his presidency. He's 1) Trying to keep his base engaged, riled up etc so he can maintain control of them and 2) Since he has been unable to manipulate the system enough to his liking, he's decided to try and burn the entire system down. He's actively attacking our country's foundations and institutions. He's not a president for the constitution. He could give two <bleeps> about our constitution.

And the man is pathological liar. That's been proven countless times. "That is what he said he is doing?" Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. The fact that you believe a word he says proves you have bought into the con.

When this is all done, Trump that is, in a year, in 4 years in a decade, and Trump has nothing left to "win" (or he's done enough losing) he's going to come out and tell all these dopey Trumpers that he was conning them this entire time and he can't believe they all fell for it.

What would change American politics more, Trump continuing what he has done and is doing, or if Trump just "fessed up" and admitted he was playing/conning conservatives all along?

Flybang mosher wrote:

Dan Kahneman wrote:

I find your post very intriguing. I have had a fundamental question about the trump effect that has been a conundrum to me. How can so many people not see that trump is a pathological liar who has repeatedly conned them.

One theory is that those in the trump cult lack intelligence and are uninformed or are filled with bias or hate.

That's the only theory I'm aware of. I haven't seen any competing theories posted in this thread. I have at least one competing theory, but haven't felt comfortable posting it due to fears of unmerciful mockage.

Dan Kahneman wrote:

I know your level of intelligence is aware of the times Trump declared that he won decisively, not just that there are irregularities, every half brain idea of fraud he pushes like its the final truth proving he won, he claims that he will turn this election award, and all the while he asks for money. That's just a very small sample of his history of lies too. I am sure there are many who think as you do. You use your intelligence not to determine whether you have been conned or not, you use your intelligence to figure out a way to believe that you haven't been lied to.

I am truly puzzled and I don't think there are simple answers for this that apply to everyone.

Maybe it's best not to puzzle things out so much, Daniel. For it is "[ours] not to reason why, [ours] but to do or die." (Lord Tennyson - Charge of Light Brigade).