Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

L L wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

Agip - who is the biggest phony here and claims Repubs are trying to destroy our democracy was actually calling electors to abandon their duties 4 years ago and go with Hillary. He should be banned from here for his hypocrisy.

To be fair, the Constitution may need to be amended to a straight popular vote.

Based on how it was written, each state can do whatever it wants to determine the electors assigned to them, including ignoring the votes of the people.

Trump has been asking states to ignore their vote totals and simply cast their electors to him.

You want Trump to remain president while making that demand while asking for agip to be banned from a small website for a simple post 4 years ago.

LL - why do you (and I think your posts are very thoughtful) and the other liberals here want to do away with the electoral college? It has served this country well and the Founders were very smart in how they fashioned the Constitution. It just seems that recently the electoral vote has not favored the liberal candidate and all of a sudden you want to do away with what has worked for 200-plus years SIMPLY because the heavily liberal-laden states such as Calif and NY can't sway the election simply because of the tens of millions in those liberal states. If it aint broke - let's not fix it.

Sally Vix wrote:

If it aint broke - let's not fix it.

I’d say that after this election it could be argued that it is broken. The mere presence of the Electoral College is the only reason Trump and his gang can continue their assault on the outcome of the election.

With the EC in place they only have to subvert a couple of 100k votes instead of 7 million votes.

LL - why do you (and I think your posts are very thoughtful) and the other liberals here want to do away with the electoral college? It has served this country well and the Founders were very smart in how they fashioned the Constitution. It just seems that recently the electoral vote has not favored the liberal candidate and all of a sudden you want to do away with what has worked for 200-plus years SIMPLY because the heavily liberal-laden states such as Calif and NY can't sway the election simply because of the tens of millions in those liberal states. If it aint broke - let's not fix it.[/quote]

Sally, the key question is whether the system is broke. You assert that it isn't. However, it is a point on which reasonable people disagree and is worth examining. For all the credit given to the drafters of the Constitution, much of it deserved, they didn't get everything right. And understandably, they couldn't predict the future. Do we know that they would like the fact that winning or losing the election has come down to a relative handful of votes in a very small number of states (sometimes in accord with the popular vote, and sometimes not)? Moreover, even if they would like it (which we will never know), that doesn't mean we can't change things if we don't like it.

Sally Vix wrote:

If it aint broke - let's not fix it.

Most American's think it's broke. In a democracy, this should count for something.

202 Biden, 174 Trump, no faithless electors so far.

Sally Vix wrote:

LL - why do you (and I think your posts are very thoughtful) and the other liberals here want to do away with the electoral college? It has served this country well and the Founders were very smart in how they fashioned the Constitution. It just seems that recently the electoral vote has not favored the liberal candidate and all of a sudden you want to do away with what has worked for 200-plus years SIMPLY because the heavily liberal-laden states such as Calif and NY can't sway the election simply because of the tens of millions in those liberal states. If it aint broke - let's not fix it.

For all Americans alive today, the person who won the electoral vote was also the person who got the popular vote.

The electoral vote was a fast way to get results without counting every single vote.

It's easier to count to 270 than to 70 or 80 million.

The Founders didn't care for women, people of color or even average citizens of meager means to be able to vote for the president.

The Constitution is an evolving document with amendments, if you did not notice.

So, yes, once the electoral vote was not even a plurality of the will of the voters it is seen as a problem.

You should like this idea. Once Texas goes back to blue it will be very hard for Republicans to get 270 even with a popular vote win. If Kerry won Ohio in 2004 it would be a Kerry electoral win with a Bush popular vote win.

It's an archaic idea. These Founders allowed slavery.

The NYT has a nifty map. The West, most likely California, will put Joe over the top.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/14/us/elections/electoral-college-results.html

That's a good guess, and that's a lot. I would say it might approach 90% or even more of that third.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

You call four years of rants contributions. OK.

How's that migraine going? Best to stay away from the news today, haha.

Sally Vix wrote:

as I live and breathe wrote:

Wow, it's quite the day - Sally Vix actually posts that Trump's not a real man. Thank you. Took you too many years to accept, but better late than ever.

I have been saying for four years he is not a real man. He is a vile man. I despise everything about him but like his policies and think the alternative is much, much worse.

Sounds like something a german citizen would have said about their leader in 1940.

sealed wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

I have been saying for four years he is not a real man. He is a vile man. I despise everything about him but like his policies and think the alternative is much, much worse.

You are also blind, a record holding 60 year old runner, a male model with women sleeping on your door step from which you pick one to come for the night, a China Virus wife you berate and are absolutely faithful to, an uncle (godfather?) was a superstar NFL player, AND you gleefully voted for Trump TWICE despite hating his guts. You just can't make this up if you tried.

Don't forget the smartest guy at the state school who became a brilliant mathematician with an accounting degree.. also defies physics by living in two states simultaneous.

formerly present wrote:

202 Biden, 174 Trump, no faithless electors so far.

Lol, the Texan who just announced the votes was overly happy to say they were all given to Trump, and of course the crowd loved it. I bet FOX is only sharing the trump votes for now and waiting to show the Biden votes until they are informed trump fell asleep. Don't want to upset the boss now.

Trollminator wrote:

sealed wrote:

You are also blind, a record holding 60 year old runner, a male model with women sleeping on your door step from which you pick one to come for the night, a China Virus wife you berate and are absolutely faithful to, an uncle (godfather?) was a superstar NFL player, AND you gleefully voted for Trump TWICE despite hating his guts. You just can't make this up if you tried.

Don't forget the smartest guy at the state school who became a brilliant mathematician with an accounting degree.. also defies physics by living in two states simultaneous.

The state school tanked top 40 in the world with the second largest endowment only behind Harvard. A great, great university.

Sally Vix wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Don't forget the smartest guy at the state school who became a brilliant mathematician with an accounting degree.. also defies physics by living in two states simultaneous.

The state school tanked top 40 in the world with the second largest endowment only behind Harvard. A great, great university.

Where does your PRETEND university rank! We all know you are not in grad school so we all just pretend you are.

Reminder, 126 House Republicans got behind that Texas lawsuit, agreeing that Texas should be able to tell other states how to run their elections.

Sally Vix wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Don't forget the smartest guy at the state school who became a brilliant mathematician with an accounting degree.. also defies physics by living in two states simultaneous.

The state school tanked top 40 in the world with the second largest endowment only behind Harvard. A great, great university.

Nice Freudian slip

Sally Vix wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

The state school tanked top 40 in the world with the second largest endowment only behind Harvard. A great, great university.

Where does your PRETEND university rank! We all know you are not in grad school so we all just pretend you are.

If I tell you, you won't believe it. If I show you proof, you'll cry. I'm above that.

now Steven Miller is talking about sending a list of "alternate electors" to congress; these guys don't give up...it's like whack-a-mole

https://www.thedailybeast.com/brian-kilmeade-confronts-stephen-miller-on-trump-election-lawsuits-do-you-have-the-worst-legal-team?ref=scroll

qss wrote:

now Steven Miller is talking about sending a list of "alternate electors" to congress; these guys don't give up...it's like whack-a-mole

https://www.thedailybeast.com/brian-kilmeade-confronts-stephen-miller-on-trump-election-lawsuits-do-you-have-the-worst-legal-team?ref=scroll

LOLz, but the base eats it up and won't stop sending him money. trump is pretending to attempt to win via fraudulent lawsuits alleging fraud. He knows its over, but the dolts eat it up.