I like the way you put it, but I remain an optimist. I believe we'll achieve some progress after the electors' votes. And it's nice to see Biden winning again and again.
sykt wrote:
return to index wrote:
I sure hope this will mark the end of this infamy and will silence [Donald] Trump.
Two chances of that: Slim and None.
And Slim's leavin' town.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Gina wrote:
Can’t comment for anyone else but you’re wrong on this end.
You don’t get much right, god love ya.
Simply astonishing. Hard to believe from your posts. Who would have known?
This, coming from one whose primary contribution to this thread is posting moronic and juvenile cartoons? Okaayyy.
You call four years of rants contributions. OK.
Dan Kahneman wrote:
My vent:
77% of Trump voters think our democracy failed and that Biden only became president through cheating. They think Trump was actually elected. Can you imagine what it must feel like to think someone stole the presidency. Its a huge number of people too and its amazingly damaging to our country. No amount of court cases shooting down the idea of an illegal Biden presidency will convince them. It doesn't matter to them that Trump claimed cheating when he lost to Cruz, he claimed it when he lost the popular vote to Hillary and he claims it now. It does not matter to them.
The only thing that will convince these yahoos the Biden actually won, is a concession speech from Trump admitting the truth. But Trump and the Republican leaders will not show leadership and explain to the people that we do have a functioning democracy. Biden won the election. Instead they attempt any method to subvert our democracy so that Trump can retain power.
It is simply disgusting. I pray there are just consequences for all those who have attacked our democracy.
Trump has really damaged the GOP. The GOP is already in the minority even with the diehard Trumpers, but now many of those Trumpers have declared they will never vote in another election if Biden is sworn in. They are the ones who elected a populist candidate, and as what ALWAYS happens when a populist is elected, that lasts one election cycle and then is thrown to the trash heap. Same will happen here.
Short term they may skip a cycle.....and that's a big maybe. It could really hurt in GA in a few weeks for the GOP if there's any reality to some trumpers staying home.
Long term they'll go back to voting where they formerly did which may not be as completely GOP as is thought. I do think the GOP is in danger of losing support though.
return to index wrote:
I like the way you put it, but I remain an optimist. I believe we'll achieve some progress after the electors' votes.
And it's nice to see Biden winning again and again.
sykt wrote:
Two chances of that: Slim and None.
And Slim's leavin' town.
There's still going to be a legislative attempt to overturn in January. Near zero chance of working but we'll still have to listen to it for another few weeks.
sykt wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
...too early to put Baron in that prediction yet...
"Barron," dude.
Oh well...Trump can't even spell that correctly.
Real Obvi wrote:
This, coming from one whose primary contribution to this thread is posting moronic and juvenile cartoons? Okaayyy.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
You call four years of rants contributions. OK.
I didn't call them rants. I called them moronic and juvenile cartoons.
Flagpole wrote:
sykt wrote:
"Barron," dude.
Oh well...Trump can't even spell that correctly.
Trump can't even spell "Trafalgar" either. Flagpole please own up to your misspellings. A real man does that.
Is there any action going on faithless electors?
Remember, there were 7 official electoral votes cast in 2016 that did not represent the popular votes in those states cast in Hawaii, Texas and Washington.
Votes that should have gone to Hillary went to- Bernie Sanders, 3 to Colin Powell (who is a Republican) and one to Faith Spotted Eagle (a Native American).
Two Trump votes were switched to Ron Paul and Kasich.
There were 3 more faithless electors going against Hillary from Maine, Minnesota and Colorado but those states don't allow that.
Any predictions on the final electoral tally?
Maybe 40 electors of scattered Biden states will vote for Trump.
IT'S NOT OVER!
Ongoing EC tally (currently 135 Biden, 97 Trump, with no faithless electors so far):
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/electoral-college-vote-2020-biden-trump/index.html
Sally Vix wrote:
Trump can't even spell "Trafalgar" either. Flagpole please own up to your misspellings. A real man does that.
Wow, it's quite the day - Sally Vix actually posts that Trump's not a real man. Thank you. Took you too many years to accept, but better late than ever.
L L wrote:
Is there any action going on faithless electors?
Remember, there were 7 official electoral votes cast in 2016 that did not represent the popular votes in those states cast in Hawaii, Texas and Washington.
Votes that should have gone to Hillary went to- Bernie Sanders, 3 to Colin Powell (who is a Republican) and one to Faith Spotted Eagle (a Native American).
Two Trump votes were switched to Ron Paul and Kasich.
There were 3 more faithless electors going against Hillary from Maine, Minnesota and Colorado but those states don't allow that.
Any predictions on the final electoral tally?
Maybe 40 electors of scattered Biden states will vote for Trump.
IT'S NOT OVER!
Agip - who is the biggest phony here and claims Repubs are trying to destroy our democracy was actually calling electors to abandon their duties 4 years ago and go with Hillary. He should be banned from here for his hypocrisy.
as I live and breathe wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Trump can't even spell "Trafalgar" either. Flagpole please own up to your misspellings. A real man does that.
Wow, it's quite the day - Sally Vix actually posts that Trump's not a real man. Thank you. Took you too many years to accept, but better late than ever.
I have been saying for four years he is not a real man. He is a vile man. I despise everything about him but like his policies and think the alternative is much, much worse.
sykt wrote:
Ongoing EC tally (currently 135 Biden, 97 Trump, with no faithless electors so far):
The NYT has a much faster update than CNN. They also have a nice map.
The WaPo (not as fast to update as the NYT, but faster than CNN) has live streaming from each state and a schedule of when voting starts in each state.
CNN is usually ahead of the game, but not so much with the EC.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/14/us/elections/electoral-college-results.htmlhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2020/electoral-college-vote-tracker/TTH wrote:
Short term they may skip a cycle.....and that's a big maybe. It could really hurt in GA in a few weeks for the GOP if there's any reality to some trumpers staying home.
Long term they'll go back to voting where they formerly did which may not be as completely GOP as is thought. I do think the GOP is in danger of losing support though.
But, the point is that many Trumpers did NOT vote before Trump, and many not even until this 2020 election. I'm talking 50 year old men who had never voted before. They came out of the woodwork to try to give this populist a second term, but as is the case with populist candidates historically, the opposition rises and shuts them down. A failed experiment to have a true outsider come in as President.
Trump will try something big to try to continue to fleece his flock, but it will fail. He will do ok for a while, but the fervor for him will steadily decrease.
Sally Vix wrote:
I have been saying for four years he is not a real man. He is a vile man. I despise everything about him but like his policies and think the alternative is much, much worse.
You are also blind, a record holding 60 year old runner, a male model with women sleeping on your door step from which you pick one to come for the night, a China Virus wife you berate and are absolutely faithful to, an uncle (godfather?) was a superstar NFL player, AND you gleefully voted for Trump TWICE despite hating his guts. You just can't make this up if you tried.
Flagpole wrote:
TTH wrote:
Short term they may skip a cycle.....and that's a big maybe. It could really hurt in GA in a few weeks for the GOP if there's any reality to some trumpers staying home.
Long term they'll go back to voting where they formerly did which may not be as completely GOP as is thought. I do think the GOP is in danger of losing support though.
But, the point is that many Trumpers did NOT vote before Trump, and many not even until this 2020 election. I'm talking 50 year old men who had never voted before. They came out of the woodwork to try to give this populist a second term, but as is the case with populist candidates historically, the opposition rises and shuts them down. A failed experiment to have a true outsider come in as President.
Trump will try something big to try to continue to fleece his flock, but it will fail. He will do ok for a while, but the fervor for him will steadily decrease.
The Republican party is fractured like Humpty Dumpty. About 1/3rd (of some 40% of all voters) are Trump diehards and the rest are conservatives at all levels (hard-right to moderate, and even partly left of center) who don't care who the Republican candidate is they vote Republican. The problem for Republicans is how many in the 1/3rd they can keep in the fold -- less than 1/2 of the 1/3rd in my opinion.
The Republican Party has proved that its hatred of liberals is so foundational that it will abandon any pretense of commitment to democracy, if democracy allows for the possibility that liberals might win an election. They have come to regard Democratic voters as essentially undeserving of having their will translated into power, no matter how large their numbers.
When you ask the typical Trump supporter what they love about him, they don’t mention some substantive policy position; what they say is that he is a fighter. The petty squabbles, the insulting tweets, the deranged conspiracy theories — the things that the Never Trumpers and most other Americans find off-putting are exactly what endears him to the Republican base.
Trump fights and fights, angrily, bitterly, endlessly driven forward by his hatred of the people his supporters hate. That’s what the base loves, and every other Republican knows it.
Everything about the election that just ended reinforced for conservatives that nothing is more important than hating liberals. The rhetoric of the 2020 campaign, starting with Trump but going all the way down the ballot, was that if Democrats were elected, then it would not be suboptimal or bad or even terrible, but the end of everything you care about. Towns and cities would burn, religion would be outlawed, America as we know it would cease to exist. These horrors were not presented as metaphors, but as the literal truth.
If it doesn’t Own the Libs, it doesn’t matter on the right. That’s what the Republican Party and the conservative movement are about today, and it might take a long time for them to change.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/11/hatred-liberals-is-all-thats-left-conservatism/
Sally Vix wrote:
Agip - who is the biggest phony here and claims Repubs are trying to destroy our democracy was actually calling electors to abandon their duties 4 years ago and go with Hillary. He should be banned from here for his hypocrisy.
To be fair, the Constitution may need to be amended to a straight popular vote.
Based on how it was written, each state can do whatever it wants to determine the electors assigned to them, including ignoring the votes of the people.
Trump has been asking states to ignore their vote totals and simply cast their electors to him.
You want Trump to remain president while making that demand while asking for agip to be banned from a small website for a simple post 4 years ago.