Can anyone explain why you'd split these? What if a competent coach wanted to take over both genders?
You would want to split it so one person doesn’t have to manage as many athletes. Lots of top teams do this. And a lot of the teams that don’t do this on their website still do this, the head coach coaches one gender and the assistant does the other one.
My guess is McLean wants to make sure he keeps all the power. It’s no secret there was a bit of a power struggle between him and Curcio. splitting it allows him to hire 2 people that are a little more inexperienced and won’t try and go above his head. My guess is each pays roughly $40k. That, and adding a female to the staff helps him look good to the admin
Can anyone explain why you'd split these? What if a competent coach wanted to take over both genders?
You would want to split it so one person doesn’t have to manage as many athletes. Lots of top teams do this. And a lot of the teams that don’t do this on their website still do this, the head coach coaches one gender and the assistant does the other one.
It’s the exception, not the norm.
The better recipe is one strong head coach, and an assistant. You let the head focus on coaching and recruiting. Maximize their talents and interests. The assistant supports recruiting, and does the admin and operations tasks that wear down on a good head coach. Let them do whatever the head coach doesn’t want to do, or what is their weakness.
Split programs are a recipe for conflict. If one gender is doing better than the other, athletes start wanting the other genders coach. There will be a lot of, why do the men (or women) get that and we don’t. If the school expects the genders to travel together, who gets to decide what meets they go to, where they stay, where they eat, what the itinerary is. If they are going to different meets, athletes start saying, I wish we went where the other gender went or why did they go there and we didn’t.
It sounds like a plan cooked up by an admin who has never been around college track/xc.
Maybe ASU can convince one strong coach to come, but trying to get two is also a challenge. Pay the dollars to get an experienced coach. And then a newcomer assistant. Splitting the dollars of a mistake.
what do we think this position will pay. should be 6 figures to make it livable in socal, right?
Yes. 6 figures and a house, I’m told.
I believe this job is paying $100k (the university is booming), but “a house” in this area starts at $650k, so maybe they are instead offering campus housing.
You would want to split it so one person doesn’t have to manage as many athletes. Lots of top teams do this. And a lot of the teams that don’t do this on their website still do this, the head coach coaches one gender and the assistant does the other one.
It’s the exception, not the norm.
The better recipe is one strong head coach, and an assistant. You let the head focus on coaching and recruiting. Maximize their talents and interests. The assistant supports recruiting, and does the admin and operations tasks that wear down on a good head coach. Let them do whatever the head coach doesn’t want to do, or what is their weakness.
Split programs are a recipe for conflict. If one gender is doing better than the other, athletes start wanting the other genders coach. There will be a lot of, why do the men (or women) get that and we don’t. If the school expects the genders to travel together, who gets to decide what meets they go to, where they stay, where they eat, what the itinerary is. If they are going to different meets, athletes start saying, I wish we went where the other gender went or why did they go there and we didn’t.
It sounds like a plan cooked up by an admin who has never been around college track/xc.
Maybe ASU can convince one strong coach to come, but trying to get two is also a challenge. Pay the dollars to get an experienced coach. And then a newcomer assistant. Splitting the dollars of a mistake.
Agreed. Last job I had, a school in our conference should have wiped the floor with everyone but their Men's Coach was a huge tool and everyone wanted to be coached by the Women's Coach (both male).
Similar issues when a Cross Country and Track & Field team are basically run separately during the spring season. No team chemistry or unity. Superiority complexes on whoever scores more points and constant tension between coaches and athletes.
Can anyone explain why you'd split these? What if a competent coach wanted to take over both genders?
Men and women need different training, different culture work, and often different personalities of coaches. As a coach of 50+ athletes my men and women have completely different training plans, team meetings, and I I literally have to be a different coach for each group, because thats what they need to succeed. it seems to be working -but takes double of everything if you want to do it right. I am guessing they want to find the right fit for each group- But i can also see if creating a split in vision for the program overall of you weren’t careful.
That's terrible. Taking the cheaper, easier route in hiring will not bring success to your program. How does the saying go? Surround yourself with smart, successful team people, and your company will flourish? Too bad hardly any head coaches follow that. You can make more money working at Costco then the vast majority of coaching positions.
You have to be fair here. You're assuming these coaches aren't thinking these hires are their best option.
As somebody who has seen and been involved with several rounds of interviewing, there are a lot of smaller schools that simply don't get too many applicants who are qualified for the job. If they can't get somebody qualified (truly qualified with experience) then they'd rather hire somebody they're familiar with so they can develop them.
Problem is that most smaller ( low mid majors and below) just don't have the $ to pay for qualified experienced successful coaches. If they did they wouldn't let the ones that they have now go to bigger universities.
This position will serve as the Assistant Men's and Women's Track & Field / Cross Country Coach. The Assistant Coach adheres to departmental policies and procedures, as well as rules and regulations of the University, the ACC...
Word from Eugene over the weekend is that Robert Johnson is in talks with Portland State. He’s attempting to strong arm them into $70k and performance bonuses for meeting sport sponsorship. Stay tuned…
Word from Eugene over the weekend is that Robert Johnson is in talks with Portland State. He’s attempting to strong arm them into $70k and performance bonuses for meeting sport sponsorship. Stay tuned…
Geez, going from 350K at Oregon to having to strong arm to 70k? I get he's made a ton of money over his career and is set but talk about an adjustment. At least he'd get back into coaching and get to stay at home.
Word from Eugene over the weekend is that Robert Johnson is in talks with Portland State. He’s attempting to strong arm them into $70k and performance bonuses for meeting sport sponsorship. Stay tuned…
Geez, going from 350K at Oregon to having to strong arm to 70k? I get he's made a ton of money over his career and is set but talk about an adjustment. At least he'd get back into coaching and get to stay at home.
Don't believe everything thing you read. Johnson would never do such a thing.
My guess is McLean wants to make sure he keeps all the power. It’s no secret there was a bit of a power struggle between him and Curcio. splitting it allows him to hire 2 people that are a little more inexperienced and won’t try and go above his head. My guess is each pays roughly $40k. That, and adding a female to the staff helps him look good to the admin
Congrats on winning the power struggle Damion, maybe your athletes can score some points now? is 10th place in the sun belt good???
My guess is McLean wants to make sure he keeps all the power. It’s no secret there was a bit of a power struggle between him and Curcio. splitting it allows him to hire 2 people that are a little more inexperienced and won’t try and go above his head. My guess is each pays roughly $40k. That, and adding a female to the staff helps him look good to the admin
Congrats on winning the power struggle Damion, maybe your athletes can score some points now? is 10th place in the sun belt good???
Really? Take the animosity elsewhere and address him personally and not on a job board. People are really sad
Wow. I am hearing that the University of Florida is likely going to add another coach on the Sprints or Jump side of things
Already done, Darryl Anderson (Formerly of TCU and AZ ST HEAD has been on staff all season). Big Schools it sees are starting to use the Nick Saban model, Add former head coaches to great staffs until they can get a new head job, or stay.
Can anyone explain why you'd split these? What if a competent coach wanted to take over both genders?
Men and women need different training, different culture work, and often different personalities of coaches. As a coach of 50+ athletes my men and women have completely different training plans, team meetings, and I I literally have to be a different coach for each group, because thats what they need to succeed. it seems to be working -but takes double of everything if you want to do it right. I am guessing they want to find the right fit for each group- But i can also see if creating a split in vision for the program overall of you weren’t careful.
I could see how that would be tough to manage in some situations, however it's not unheard of for coaches to be able to coach both successfully while also being aware of these nuances.
