Racket how are you measuring that racism is “next fvcking level” in Western Europe compared to the USA?
Racket how are you measuring that racism is “next fvcking level” in Western Europe compared to the USA?
Gina wrote:
Who you Biff? Dobb’s or Miller?
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/lou-dobbs-stephen-miller-meltdown-160911179.htmlENJOY YOUR LOSS
Lol - it's Groundhog Day everyday for these guys.. stuck in a loop of losing. I drink their tears with pleasure.
Trollminator wrote:
Gina wrote:
Who you Biff? Dobb’s or Miller?
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/lou-dobbs-stephen-miller-meltdown-160911179.htmlENJOY YOUR LOSS
Lol - it's Groundhog Day everyday for these guys.. stuck in a loop of losing. I drink their tears with pleasure.
Anyone catching the irony in this weak sister of a poster mentioning "Groundhog day everyday," and one sentence later posting "I drink their tears with pleasure"?
And he registered another one of my names, god bless his little pea-picking heart.
nonequals wrote:
Dan Kahneman wrote:
I don't have the sense of impeding doom for America that Armstronlivs expresses but I am not as comfortable or confident as Flagpole or Agip. We were in a very dangerous time for our democracy. Trump tried hard to illegally have elected officials require electors to vote for him despite representing voters who voted Biden. I am not so concerned that Trump tried this, but am am very concerned at the number of elected officials who either were in support of this or silent about it.
Fortunately there were some key ethical officials who said no to this, despite very being on the receiving end from significant abuse and career harm. Many of our elected officials would have gone along with Trumps move to disenfranchise the voters and kill our democracy. Really many would have done this.
Where would we be if Trump wasn't quite so stupid, handled covid better and didn't turn everyone off. What if he was just as ruthless and deceptive but smarter? Would we have another 4 years of Trump?
Trump and our elected officials who sold out our democracy are very dangerous.
Trump is an amazingly bad person. But we knew those were around (in this large country) before Trumpism. Ditto many Republican politicians in the age of Trump.
What is "new" - and the root of all political danger - is that freakin' ROUGHLY HALF of this freakin' country are OK with it. I'm a 53 year old conservative. I never thought I'd see anything like this. Politicians going lower, and lower, and lower, and yet losing little, OR NO, support. My g**.
Very, very hard to be optimistic. Maybe Trump losing his pulpit improves things a lot. Maybe he hasn't normalized pathological lying and shamelessness as much as I fear. On the other hand, he might have. I certainly think that there has been massive erosion. Can it be fixed? Do demographics save us? Are there far fewer current and future young Trumpers? I sure as hell hope so.
trump is the most gifted politician of the last 40 or so years. At least top 3.
as long as he is alive and out of jail, the nation is at peril.
but the flip side is that no one else has the great skills of trump so when he's gone things may quiet down quickly.
Much depends on what trump does over the rest of his life.
He's perhaps the most influential person in modern American history.
Trollminator wrote:
Gina wrote:
Who you Biff? Dobb’s or Miller?
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/lou-dobbs-stephen-miller-meltdown-160911179.htmlENJOY YOUR LOSS
Lol - it's Groundhog Day everyday for these guys.. stuck in a loop of losing. I drink their tears with pleasure.
the fun part is that Miller is playing the game - he knows the fraud charges are false and stupid.
So Miller is completely thrown when Dobbs says things that imply Dobbs thinks the fraud charges are real. Miller has no idea what to do in the face of utter irrationality and violation of the con's rules.
It's great TV and politics.
idiots for believing in Trump.
Idiots for voting against Dems who would at least try to help them find new work.
New York (CNN Business)President Donald Trump promised he would save the US coal industry. But as his tenure winds down, the industry is struggling through some of its darkest days, plagued by falling demand, bankruptcies and job losses.
The coal mining industry has lost 8,000 jobs, or 15% of its workforce, over the last 12 months, according to the November jobs report.
And last week two more coal companies, Lighthouse Resources and White Stallion Energy, both filed for bankruptcy. They were at least the fourth and fifth coal miners to file for bankruptcy in the last five months, according to information on BankruptcyData.com, following filings earlier this year by Hopewell Mining, FM Coal and CLI USA.
agip wrote:
nonequals wrote:
Trump is an amazingly bad person. But we knew those were around (in this large country) before Trumpism. Ditto many Republican politicians in the age of Trump.
What is "new" - and the root of all political danger - is that freakin' ROUGHLY HALF of this freakin' country are OK with it. I'm a 53 year old conservative. I never thought I'd see anything like this. Politicians going lower, and lower, and lower, and yet losing little, OR NO, support. My g**.
Very, very hard to be optimistic. Maybe Trump losing his pulpit improves things a lot. Maybe he hasn't normalized pathological lying and shamelessness as much as I fear. On the other hand, he might have. I certainly think that there has been massive erosion. Can it be fixed? Do demographics save us? Are there far fewer current and future young Trumpers? I sure as hell hope so.
trump is the most gifted politician of the last 40 or so years. At least top 3.
as long as he is alive and out of jail, the nation is at peril.
but the flip side is that no one else has the great skills of trump so when he's gone things may quiet down quickly.
Much depends on what trump does over the rest of his life.
He's perhaps the most influential person in modern American history.
If Trump is as gifted as you say, he would have been elected to another term. He is gifted in the way cult leaders are gifted. Loved by the cult, hated by everyone else.
agip wrote:
trump is the most gifted politician of the last 40 or so years. At least top 3.
I don't think you can give a "most gifted politician" award to someone who lost the popular vote twice and is not particularly good at getting congress to do what he wants.
agip wrote:
trump is the most gifted politician of the last 40 or so years. At least top 3.
I'd take Reagan, Bill Clinton and Obama.
Flybang musher wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Lol - it's Groundhog Day everyday for these guys.. stuck in a loop of losing. I drink their tears with pleasure.
Anyone catching the irony in this weak sister of a poster mentioning "Groundhog day everyday," and one sentence later posting "I drink their tears with pleasure"?
And he registered another one of my names, god bless his little pea-picking heart.
Maybe go easy on the guy ... Possibly under the weather today. He hasn't posted his usual daily 300 posts and I don't think he has said "butthurts" once.
Fat hurts wrote:
agip wrote:
trump is the most gifted politician of the last 40 or so years. At least top 3.
I don't think you can give a "most gifted politician" award to someone who lost the popular vote twice and is not particularly good at getting congress to do what he wants.
depends on how you value politicians...but none of us has seen the devotion of the magas in our lifetimes. Maybe FDR had some of that? Reagan a little. But Trump captured the hearts of his people. Can you imagine flying 'Bob Dole' flags? 'McCain' flags on your boat?
He's spectacularly good at what he does.
But sure, he only brought along the magas and a a few million hispanic and black men. Doesn't mean he's not a brilliant politician. No one else could have done what he has done. I mean he utterly took over his party and reversed many of its positions. Free trade? Bad. Wars? Bad. Big Tent? Bad. Remarkable.
Flybang musher wrote:
And he registered another one of my names, god bless his little pea-picking heart.
Well, that's easily remedied, no? Just register your *own* name, and you're done in one.
No one would accuse me of being particularly Internet-savvy, yet even I figured that one out.
agip wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
I don't think you can give a "most gifted politician" award to someone who lost the popular vote twice and is not particularly good at getting congress to do what he wants.
depends on how you value politicians...but none of us has seen the devotion of the magas in our lifetimes. Maybe FDR had some of that? Reagan a little. But Trump captured the hearts of his people. Can you imagine flying 'Bob Dole' flags? 'McCain' flags on your boat?
He's spectacularly good at what he does.
But sure, he only brought along the magas and a a few million hispanic and black men. Doesn't mean he's not a brilliant politician. No one else could have done what he has done. I mean he utterly took over his party and reversed many of its positions. Free trade? Bad. Wars? Bad. Big Tent? Bad. Remarkable.
Forgot one: NATO? Suddenly bad.
And look at this -- he's convinced a dozen states to seek to end democracy in America.
No other politician could have done that. They would have been laughed out of the RNC.
But Trump gets it done with just the hint of a mean tweet.
You tell me that doesn't make him a phenomenal, perhaps once in a generation politician.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1336774528777785345?s=20Joe Biden might have to use his presidential pardon powers sooner than you would think. Clown son Hunter is under federal investigation for shenanigans with his taxes.
Too late Sally troll, they already got Hunter for his lap top ?
agip wrote:
trump is the most gifted politician of the last 40 or so years.
I understand your reasoning, and others' disagreements.
One thing DJT is getting too little credit for IMO: Saving the Senate (probably) for the GOP and narrowing the Dems' lead in the House.
One thing we can all agree on: Trump brought people to the polls. (Come on, who *really* went because Biden was on the ballot?) Sure, millions more people wanted Trump gone than wanted him to continue, but yea or nay, *he brought them out*.
In an ordinary year, millions of people who disliked the incumbent but weren't thrilled about the challenger would have probably just stayed home. Many, many people who came out solely because of Trump's being on the ballot were Republicans who were fed up with the noise and the chaos and just wanted this administration out--but *still* were Republicans, and voted downballot for their party.
They were fatigued with Trump, but not with the GOP. They didn't become Democrats, they were just anti-Trump--and Republican Senate/House/state candidates benefited.
kibitzer wrote:
agip wrote:
trump is the most gifted politician of the last 40 or so years.
I understand your reasoning, and others' disagreements.
One thing DJT is getting too little credit for IMO: Saving the Senate (probably) for the GOP and narrowing the Dems' lead in the House.
One thing we can all agree on: Trump brought people to the polls. (Come on, who *really* went because Biden was on the ballot?) Sure, millions more people wanted Trump gone than wanted him to continue, but yea or nay, *he brought them out*.
In an ordinary year, millions of people who disliked the incumbent but weren't thrilled about the challenger would have probably just stayed home. Many, many people who came out solely because of Trump's being on the ballot were Republicans who were fed up with the noise and the chaos and just wanted this administration out--but *still* were Republicans, and voted downballot for their party.
They were fatigued with Trump, but not with the GOP. They didn't become Democrats, they were just anti-Trump--and Republican Senate/House/state candidates benefited.
True but the same token those are also reasons Trump LOST big.
Flybang musher wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Lol - it's Groundhog Day everyday for these guys.. stuck in a loop of losing. I drink their tears with pleasure.
Anyone catching the irony in this weak sister of a poster mentioning "Groundhog day everyday," and one sentence later posting "I drink their tears with pleasure"?
And he registered another one of my names, god bless his little pea-picking heart.
Paranoia much? How does it feel to lose everyday? ?????????? careful or you might end up like this.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9033419/Mellissa-Carone-swears-wasnt-drunk-bizarre-hearing-Rudy-Giuliani.htmlkibitzer wrote:
agip wrote:
trump is the most gifted politician of the last 40 or so years.
I understand your reasoning, and others' disagreements.
One thing DJT is getting too little credit for IMO: Saving the Senate (probably) for the GOP and narrowing the Dems' lead in the House.
One thing we can all agree on: Trump brought people to the polls. (Come on, who *really* went because Biden was on the ballot?) Sure, millions more people wanted Trump gone than wanted him to continue, but yea or nay, *he brought them out*.
In an ordinary year, millions of people who disliked the incumbent but weren't thrilled about the challenger would have probably just stayed home. Many, many people who came out solely because of Trump's being on the ballot were Republicans who were fed up with the noise and the chaos and just wanted this administration out--but *still* were Republicans, and voted downballot for their party.
They were fatigued with Trump, but not with the GOP. They didn't become Democrats, they were just anti-Trump--and Republican Senate/House/state candidates benefited.
mostly agreed, and that's why I'm a bit optimistic for 2022...without Trump on the ballot, the Rs may stay home, allowing another blue wave, like the last time Trump wasn't on the ballot, in 2018.
Gina wrote:
kibitzer wrote:
I understand your reasoning, and others' disagreements.
One thing DJT is getting too little credit for IMO: Saving the Senate (probably) for the GOP and narrowing the Dems' lead in the House.
One thing we can all agree on: Trump brought people to the polls. (Come on, who *really* went because Biden was on the ballot?) Sure, millions more people wanted Trump gone than wanted him to continue, but yea or nay, *he brought them out*.
In an ordinary year, millions of people who disliked the incumbent but weren't thrilled about the challenger would have probably just stayed home. Many, many people who came out solely because of Trump's being on the ballot were Republicans who were fed up with the noise and the chaos and just wanted this administration out--but *still* were Republicans, and voted downballot for their party.
They were fatigued with Trump, but not with the GOP. They didn't become Democrats, they were just anti-Trump--and Republican Senate/House/state candidates benefited.
True but the same token those are also reasons Trump LOST big.
The way I see it, he was going to lose the popular vote either way, but could have easily beaten Biden with just a small tweak to his approach, little pivot back from the extreme right, or if COVID never happened. He really blew it, but only because he rallied hard for Biden. There was an amazing turnout for trump, but he just fired up too many Dems. Anyone know the % of Rs that voted for house and senate Rs but not for trump?