why does David Roche keep banging on about being in sub-4 at altitude shape?

Revel Marathon style 14:XX 5k PR.

I just googled his youtube videos and notice that he wears a big garmin-style watch on his outdoor runs. Interesting that he creates a separate activity and chooses it over a garmin upload. Why bother wearing the watch?

Then, a further bit of quick googling tells me this is a known thing. Hmmm, maybe this explains some of those impossible-seeming CRs I've noticed in my own neighborhood....

Glad you think so. You know, when you strip away the noise—past the sweat and spit and busted knuckles—you’re left with people who just want to be seen. Even the ones throwing punches. Even the ones ducking. That’s what’s good. That’s what’s real.

I used to tell people that I wrote plays by listening to how folks talk when they think no one's listening. It’s all there—the longing, the bravado, the panic, the poetry. You just have to get out of the way and let them say it. You write it down, clean it up a little, and hope like hell someone recognizes themselves in it.

So...when david is on a treadmill he uses his watch to track the run and upload to strava...and when he runs outside he doesn't use his watch? do I have that right?

i've honestly never known anyone to use their watch over the treadmill data. does he have such little faith in the accuracy of the treadmill?

Confirmed on strava. Yes, for his "20-mile" long run and "16-mile" canyon run he decided to use the iPhone Strava App. Probably intentionally to inflate his distance and pace due to the inherent inaccuracy compared to an actual GPS smart watch.

But yes, then on his "fully calibrated" fancy treadmill he then decides to use his GPS watch data indoors to also inflate the splits to his advantage.

Don't be fooled. These are not N00b mistakes. It's deliberate and calculated.

For someone who claims to be so "scientific" and "transparent" about their data and training this is actually totally insane. Another example of how hard he misleads and is totally inauthentic...

I remember thinking his legs didn't seem to be moving as fast as he said, but I don't know his height, and I was busy working.

WTF. This dude is a psycho liar

I'm one of the most vocal David critics and I never noticed this...holy hell! You're going to wear a $500 watch and use the strava iphone app? H'okay. How does anyone still take this guy seriously? Again, if he just...existed as the trail runner he is, he'd be impressive. You can't argue with the results. But he has to milk every single ounce of clout via LYING about things that DON'T MATTER. And another reason I suspect whatever he's taking alongside those NSF supplements is one of his many secrets wrapped up in his no secrets BS. What an absolute loser idiot.

Dean K comparisons not so cra cra after all

He uses his watch to measure his treadmill workouts and iPhone to measure his outdoor workouts. Again needs to be repeated for how weird this is and done specifically to deceive

All the “love” and “no secrets” BS is all part of the brand gimmick. It’s all so desperate and manipulative.

Even David & Megan fans have to admit that this one is weird and needs an explanation.

What we know of the no secrets approach so far: advertises moderate mileage but doesn’t post all runs to Strava; alters weight on Zwift to inflate power metrics; discards treadmill data & loads preferable watch activity; runs with a high end GPS watch outdoors, but instead uses Strava iPhone app to record so stats are inflated.

No wonder Adidas said thanks but no thanks.

"In the art world, Gregory Sholette describes dark matter—the vast network of unseen labor that upholds the system while remaining unacknowledged. LetsRun has its own version: an unsalaried detective bureau, tirelessly parsing Strava discrepancies as if they’re handling the Pentagon Papers.

Think about it: no one gets paid to scrutinize David’s workouts at this level. No one is running regression analyses on random ultra runners’ treadmill data. And yet, here they are, investing hours of work, because they need—desperately—to believe that the numbers hold a truth deeper than 'GPS can be weird.'

The paradox is obvious: the very people who claim David is obsessed with perception are the ones who can’t look away. The very ones who sneer at his 'brand gimmick' are the ones turning a Strava upload into a conspiracy thriller.

David ran fast. The splits are real. The fitness is real. And yet, somehow, the true spectacle is the volunteer army constructing an entire alternate reality around it."

If you think David Roche is a beast give me a hell yeah!

Translation: you guys are really mean and I got no response. I going to just phone this one in.

It doesn't take any parsing. He simply chooses the data that best inflates his performance metrics. This guy is a psycho

yeah I had to double check and go back through his runs just to ensure that I was seeing this right--David is absolutely "juking the stats" on his training runs in order to lie/mislead his followers that he's faster than he is

He should keep trolling you nerds. He should be a better coach I admit that. I feel bad for his athletes. But watching you nerds get go crazy is hilarious. If I was him I’d troll so hard and turn heel. You guys need to get a life. This is 50+ pages of mostly the same junk.