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1 year ago 11/22/2024 5:57pm EST

re: Armstronglivs

Armstronglivs wrote:
If he wasn't tired then his competitive programme during the year took nothing out of him. So why do you raise it again and again?
He could barely finish the race. And yet you say he wasn't really "trying". What does he have to do to try - expire?

I only raise what Jakob said -- that his long season was focused on 1500m. This explains why he "could barely finish the race" -- his training did not develop the stamina required to race for 1 hour.

Trying means training with a focus on the half-marathon. Again, I'm just raising what Jakob already told us about what he has to do: "You can't just wake up and jump in the race and break a world record." "... it takes a lot of time and there's still a lot of work to be done to get there ...."

1 year ago 11/22/2024 6:06pm EST

re: Armstronglivs

Armstronglivs wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
"Normally ... but ..." indicates an exception to the rule. This means whatever he said before, which applied to normal times, must be temporarily ignored.
What makes sense is that he would choose a fast-paced race and try to stick with the leaders, to see how long he can, exactly for that experience, in a race where the result isn't important.
It doesn't mean that. It qualifies what he has said previously, it doesn't discount it.
How do you know the result wasn't important? Trying to stick with the leaders suggested he wanted to compete with them. Otherwise he would have likely adopted a pace he could sustain.

Of course that is exactly what it means. "Normally this is a distance that would suit my training very well but after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m, it’s exciting to see if I even can reach the finish line!"

This means that this distance doesn't suit his training for a long season focused on 1500m.

1 year ago 11/22/2024 6:08pm EST

re: Armstronglivs

Armstronglivs wrote:
He didn't say he lacked specific preparation. So you know better than he what his training should be?

But he did -- he told us his training was focused on 1500m, and that this distance wasn't suited to his training, like it normally would be.

1 year ago 11/23/2024 4:37am EST

re: rekrunner

rekrunner wrote:
Of course that is exactly what it means. "Normally this is a distance that would suit my training very well but after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m, it’s exciting to see if I even can reach the finish line!"
This means that this distance doesn't suit his training for a long season focused on 1500m.

This is what I think it means: It would have been better to do a HM well rested, prepared and in a period of the year when the mileage training is the best.

But I haven’t seen posters that deny this obvious observation -what guys like me point out is that Jakob was nearly 6 min behind the WR, and would possibly been as much as 4.5 min behind if he had had a more conservative opening. -This is IMO a gap that is extremely difficult to explain away as only lack of preparation, wrong time of the year, or thinning of the training throughout the track season. More so because Jakob has a history of lack of fast long races, even being well prepared, and even when those have been done in favourable parts of the year…

I keep on hammering this dead horse not to prove that Jakob has a lack of talent in the distance events, or that he is worse the longer the distance. -That may very well be the case, but if so it will eventually reveal itself without me pointing it out.

My agenda is if Jakob isn’t as bad as he looks, to me, in the 10k and HM and even the 5000m, then it’s crucial that he admit his bad (or for the 5000m restricted, since he hasn’t been really tested by competitors in peak shape) distance performances, and gets his priorities right when it comes to what he runs and then, along with a change in or supplement of the training…

My hopes are that Jakob gets rid of the idea that his over all training is better suited for the longer distances, and does the necessary changes before he gets a long losing reputation in the distance events. And it would also be cool if he a little humble admitted to the need of those changes!

1 year ago 11/23/2024 5:36am EST

re: justanothercuriousdude

justanothercuriousdude wrote:
This is what I think it means: It would have been better to do a HM well rested, prepared and in a period of the year when the mileage training is the best.
But I haven’t seen posters that deny this obvious observation -what guys like me point out is that Jakob was nearly 6 min behind the WR, and would possibly been as much as 4.5 min behind if he had had a more conservative opening. -This is IMO a gap that is extremely difficult to explain away as only lack of preparation, wrong time of the year, or thinning of the training throughout the track season. More so because Jakob has a history of lack of fast long races, even being well prepared, and even when those have been done in favourable parts of the year…
I keep on hammering this dead horse not to prove that Jakob has a lack of talent in the distance events, or that he is worse the longer the distance. -That may very well be the case, but if so it will eventually reveal itself without me pointing it out.
My agenda is if Jakob isn’t as bad as he looks, to me, in the 10k and HM and even the 5000m, then it’s crucial that he admit his bad (or for the 5000m restricted, since he hasn’t been really tested by competitors in peak shape) distance performances, and gets his priorities right when it comes to what he runs and then, along with a change in or supplement of the training…
My hopes are that Jakob gets rid of the idea that his over all training is better suited for the longer distances, and does the necessary changes before he gets a long losing reputation in the distance events. And it would also be cool if he a little humble admitted to the need of those changes!

He already admitted all that before the race. When he moves up in distance, I think you can rest assured that his training will no longer be focused on long seasons of 1500m.

1 year ago 11/23/2024 6:04am EST

re: u89iu

u89iu wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
How about 36 minutes for 11k? How does that rate?
32:14 10k pace

He could just about walk that. Oh, wait ...

1 year ago 11/23/2024 6:07am EST

re: Crush the Pom

Crush the Pom wrote:
He literally came off some much shorter track races. You are nothing but a bitter old fraud, aching from jealousy and anger in knowing that Jakob is young with a full life ahead while you are nothing more than an angry, aged twit plagued with myriad failures who realizes death from old age and infirmities is imminent.

So that makes him a "HM man"?

1 year ago 11/23/2024 6:07am EST

re: justanothercuriousdude

justanothercuriousdude wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
You are speaking treason on this thread.
Yes, I know. But that isn’t my intention -I’m only looking for some hope for Jakob’s distance capability, but have a hard time finding any, especially in the fans’ really strange and fluffy arguments… I really really hope they eventually can come up with something less hilarious and with a little more substance…!

You will be disappointed.

1 year ago 11/23/2024 6:09am EST

re: uuhh

uuhh wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Essentially because I'm responding to the same arguments again and again.
41 minutes, 18 posts in a row, and all this after 1 a.m. What 71 year old does this? This man in mentally ill.

But you all keep maintaining a dialogue with one who you say is "mentally ill". Mmm ....

1 year ago 11/23/2024 6:11am EST

re: uuhh

uuhh wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
He didn't say he lacked specific preparation. So you know better than he what his training should be?
He didn't need to say it. Anyone who understands training (which automatically excludes you) knows he hadn't trained specifically for the HM. Your idiocy is out of this world.

So must Jakob's idiocy be "out of this world". Because he apparently doesn't know what you experts on Letsrun do.

He never has said he lacked the necessary training and it is imponderable that he would have taken on such a demanding race against the world's best if that is what he thought.

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1 year ago 11/23/2024 6:14am EST

re: bgbg

bgbg wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
He did at Copenhagen. He could literally run no further. He had to stop and then walk.
Jakob has never gone for a 10,000m PB.

As I said, he obviously did at Copenhagen. He could literally run no further after 10k till he had recovered.

1 year ago 11/23/2024 6:15am EST

re: bgbg

bgbg wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I don't care. But how many 88 year olds can run a dozen marathons, as he has? And he had no trouble finishing and didn't have to stop and walk, as Ingebrigtsen did in an event half the distance.
You don't care about facts you presented? Ridiculous example anyway.

This runner was 88. How old is Jakob?

1 year ago 11/23/2024 6:18am EST

re: bgbg

bgbg wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
He isn't going to challenge Cheptegei - or any of the best distance runners - over that distance on the track.
Will you admit you were wrong if he does? :)

Will he be one of the first to go to Mars?

1 year ago 11/23/2024 6:21am EST

re: bgbg

bgbg wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
No. He has said it was his "best" distance. He thought he could be competitive. He didn't enter to walk and finish 34th just for a check.
Yes. It may be his best distance once he trains for it. He thought he could be competitive with non-specific training. He was wrong. That's all we know.

He was wrong? But you are right? So what makes you think you know what he needs - an Olympic champion and world record holder - better than he does?

I wonder if he could also beat Rudisha's record if he "trains for it".

1 year ago 11/23/2024 6:22am EST

re: bgbg

bgbg wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
He didn't say he lacked specific preparation. So you know better than he what his training should be?
Apparently he had to say it for you, and only you, to understand it.

He didn't understand it either because he didn't do that training.

1 year ago 11/23/2024 6:35am EST

re: rekrunner

rekrunner wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
If he wasn't tired then his competitive programme during the year took nothing out of him. So why do you raise it again and again?
He could barely finish the race. And yet you say he wasn't really "trying". What does he have to do to try - expire?
I only raise what Jakob said -- that his long season was focused on 1500m. This explains why he "could barely finish the race" -- his training did not develop the stamina required to race for 1 hour.
Trying means training with a focus on the half-marathon. Again, I'm just raising what Jakob already told us about what he has to do: "You can't just wake up and jump in the race and break a world record." "... it takes a lot of time and there's still a lot of work to be done to get there ...."

He could have said the same about the 1500 - you don't just wake up and do it. No one claims that you do. But no one also suggests he hasn't broken the 1500 record because he wasn't properly trained for it.

He has said his training suits the longer distances. He has never said he lacked the right preparation. His poor performance was because he misjudged his ability at the longer distance. What none of you brainless apologists can contemplate is that he simply does not have the ability over longer distances that he has in the shorter events. Your belief in his distance abilities is based solely on his own unsubstantiated claims and you therefore look for specious arguments as to why he failed to show those abilities at Copenhagen rather than accept the unpalatable fact he isn't the distance runner he claims to be.

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1 year ago 11/23/2024 6:39am EST

re: rekrunner

rekrunner wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
It doesn't mean that. It qualifies what he has said previously, it doesn't discount it.
How do you know the result wasn't important? Trying to stick with the leaders suggested he wanted to compete with them. Otherwise he would have likely adopted a pace he could sustain.
Of course that is exactly what it means. "Normally this is a distance that would suit my training very well but after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m, it’s exciting to see if I even can reach the finish line!"
This means that this distance doesn't suit his training for a long season focused on 1500m.

It might mean that he believed he would possibly run a little slower than he would if he had focused on the event. I doubt he meant that he would be reduced to a walk after 10k to end up 5 minutes behind the leaders.

1 year ago 11/23/2024 6:41am EST

re: rekrunner

rekrunner wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
He didn't say he lacked specific preparation. So you know better than he what his training should be?
But he did -- he told us his training was focused on 1500m, and that this distance wasn't suited to his training, like it normally would be.

Being focused on the 1500 does not mean his training was inadequate for the longer event. That is your self-serving interpretation.

1 year ago 11/23/2024 6:45am EST

re: rekrunner

rekrunner wrote:
justanothercuriousdude wrote:
This is what I think it means: It would have been better to do a HM well rested, prepared and in a period of the year when the mileage training is the best.
But I haven’t seen posters that deny this obvious observation -what guys like me point out is that Jakob was nearly 6 min behind the WR, and would possibly been as much as 4.5 min behind if he had had a more conservative opening. -This is IMO a gap that is extremely difficult to explain away as only lack of preparation, wrong time of the year, or thinning of the training throughout the track season. More so because Jakob has a history of lack of fast long races, even being well prepared, and even when those have been done in favourable parts of the year…
I keep on hammering this dead horse not to prove that Jakob has a lack of talent in the distance events, or that he is worse the longer the distance. -That may very well be the case, but if so it will eventually reveal itself without me pointing it out.
My agenda is if Jakob isn’t as bad as he looks, to me, in the 10k and HM and even the 5000m, then it’s crucial that he admit his bad (or for the 5000m restricted, since he hasn’t been really tested by competitors in peak shape) distance performances, and gets his priorities right when it comes to what he runs and then, along with a change in or supplement of the training…
My hopes are that Jakob gets rid of the idea that his over all training is better suited for the longer distances, and does the necessary changes before he gets a long losing reputation in the distance events. And it would also be cool if he a little humble admitted to the need of those changes!
He already admitted all that before the race. When he moves up in distance, I think you can rest assured that his training will no longer be focused on long seasons of 1500m.

You can't be so "assured". He doesn't follow your advice. No one does. He hasn't admitted that his training was inadequate, only that his focus throughout the season was on another event. That would mean he might not match his achievements in the shorter events, not that he would be completely outclassed in the longer event - as he obviously was. Your arguments would see him compete in the sprints and similarly fail while you put that failure down to "inadequate preparation".

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