Background To determine the validity of the lactate threshold (LT) and maximal oxygen uptake (V˙O2max) determined during graded exercise test (GXT) of different durations and using different LT calculations. Trained male cycl...
Using vernacular doesn't categorically mean you don't understand the underlying processes. It's just means you're using plain language. Coaches and athletes use such terms because they are applying principles in practice, not discussing the underlying science in real time.
Get off your high horse.
So could you please provide a cogent definition of "aerobically underdeveloped", so that everyone here knows what it means? "Muscular endurance" as well? Because I know that I can't.
You really don’t understand it’s how you communicate rather than what you communicate, it’s condescending first and information second. If your first language is not English it may account from it but is seems unlikely from you grammar.
you seems to have come on to a thread about training differently, using the principles of maximising load and minimisation fatigue, which pushing people to threshold training. Only to tell people that they should not be training traditionally but to train at or under threshold that is unique to yourself.
I haven't told anyone how they should or should not train.
Indeed, you haven't .. all you've ever done is discuss definitions and semantics
But why not ??
If you're the guy who is not clueless around here then shouldn't you contribute to the community (or society, if you will) and give some proper advice?
For those reading Bakkens book, does he mention anything about stretching? I know he mentions muscle tone a lot in his Reddit posts.
edit to add I see a lot of pics of Jakob I stretching and video of him stretching in the Amazon series so not sure if it’s more of an emphasis in the Norwegian system. Yes I know a lot of elite runner stretch since they have the time.
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Yeah, that tracks with his original blog post and some of this Reddit posts -- he recommended ending with a few fast and short reps a number of times. KI also used to do mixed sessions like 3x(7+3), 2x(10+7+3), and 14-10-7-3 for a while.
What exactly does he mean by fast strides though? Actual strides at the end of the intervals?
Hopefully there will be some discussions once more have read the book. Marius likes his doubles and I can see there will be some xfactor stuff too later on ... but I'm now only on page 80, so at the end of his into chapter going from chouch to 5k and ending with 3 hours of running
Nice to have in writing that a 3 hour week consists of 3 quality workouts and one easy run.
Sirpoc has said similar. The core of it all is the 3 subt runs and then you fill in easy, but a lot of NSM online posts insists on a 25/75 split even at lower volumes.
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Anyways back to your question about strides:
"Smart Strides" at the end of quality workouts:
Jog for 2-3 minutes then do 5-8 x 100m slightly above threshold
Focus on keeping them even and not on sprinting as they are there to normalize musculature after the workout.
Jog or stand between strides
I’m interested to hear more about Bakken’s take on strides and sprints. Somebody else posted that he doesn’t like strides to be done the day before a workout because of muscle tone issues it seems incredibly common for people to do strides the day before a workout but Bakken seems against this, reserving strides for workout days?
Aerobic underdevelopment is measured by how wide the gap is between LT1 and LT2. Aim to get this gap down to circa 10%, before doing any higher intensity. Thresholds can only be pushed up from below, not pulled up from above. Distribution typically 90% below LT1 and 10% below LT2 (S/T). Believes in S/T, either continuous, or long intervals(particularly for F/T types). Also double S/T days. Too much S/T can lower LT1. Objective is to push up LT1 as close as possible to LT2.
Seriously though, is there any reason to think you can move LT1 without moving LT2 or that there is any specific training to get LT1 closer to LT2 other than getting fitter (moving LT2 up) in general?
Looking at how elite athletes are it seems that moving LT2 up will move LT1 up even more. There is no way to move one without moving another or to do training specifically to move them closer to each other.
It seems those coaches come up with all those clever sounding theories while Sirpoc came up with "run every day, maximize load you can repeat week after week" which is actually based on sound principles unlike this mambo jambo.
If anyone bothers to read the study I posted, it nicely shows how shifting the lactate-intensity relationship downward and to the right makes it appear that so-called LT1 and LT2 get closer together. As you rightfully point out, though, it's just the whole curve shifting.
For those reading Bakkens book, does he mention anything about stretching? I know he mentions muscle tone a lot in his Reddit posts.
edit to add I see a lot of pics of Jakob I stretching and video of him stretching in the Amazon series so not sure if it’s more of an emphasis in the Norwegian system. Yes I know a lot of elite runner stretch since they have the time.
He basically refers to the scientific studies about static stretching, which show that it don't have any real effect on runners. He calls static stretching a "myth", and have his thoughts on why the myth never dies. No mentioning about muscle tone anywhere in the stretching section.
He thinks dynamic stretching can be useful in the warmup to harder sessions, and it can be used when needed.
Last weekend I achieved my new 10K PR using the Li-ning Feidien Elite 6.
The shoe was amazing at helping me maintain constant pace.
Using NSM I maintained a nice steady and managed to finish strong overtaking someone near the finish line and I didn't feel destoryed.
I have a half marathon in 2 weeks time to help me gage my marathon time for April.
I am currently using a 6 day version of Sirpoc's marathon plan with some things swapped around and reduced due to my time constraints in the morning, let's see how it goes.
Last weekend I achieved my new 10K PR using the Li-ning Feidien Elite 6.
The shoe was amazing at helping me maintain constant pace.
Using NSM I maintained a nice steady and managed to finish strong overtaking someone near the finish line and I didn't feel destoryed.
I have a half marathon in 2 weeks time to help me gage my marathon time for April.
I am currently using a 6 day version of Sirpoc's marathon plan with some things swapped around and reduced due to my time constraints in the morning, let's see how it goes.
nice on the pr! How many hours are you doing per week across 6 days?
Last weekend I achieved my new 10K PR using the Li-ning Feidien Elite 6.
The shoe was amazing at helping me maintain constant pace.
Using NSM I maintained a nice steady and managed to finish strong overtaking someone near the finish line and I didn't feel destoryed.
I have a half marathon in 2 weeks time to help me gage my marathon time for April.
I am currently using a 6 day version of Sirpoc's marathon plan with some things swapped around and reduced due to my time constraints in the morning, let's see how it goes.
nice on the pr! How many hours are you doing per week across 6 days?
To be fair, Uphill Athlete has been saying this for a long time (see their article on "Aerobic Deficiency" from 2018 among others) and it's not that far out there.
Basically comes down to: If you're still aerobically underdeveloped, slow, don't do unnecessary hard stuff, but focus on LT1-ish.
To be fair, "sweet spot" training has been popular among cyclists since Frank Overton of Fascat Coaching wrote about it over 25 years ago.
Before that, of course, the East German swimmers of the 1980s did lots of "sub-T" training (verified via lactate measurements).
And even before that, of course, you had Lydiard's "best aerobic pace" workouts.
When it comes to bread-and-butter endurance training, there is nothing new under the sun . . . and being "aerobically underdeveloped" simply means that you haven't reached your full potential.
Last weekend I achieved my new 10K PR using the Li-ning Feidien Elite 6.
The shoe was amazing at helping me maintain constant pace.
Using NSM I maintained a nice steady and managed to finish strong overtaking someone near the finish line and I didn't feel destoryed.
I have a half marathon in 2 weeks time to help me gage my marathon time for April.
I am currently using a 6 day version of Sirpoc's marathon plan with some things swapped around and reduced due to my time constraints in the morning, let's see how it goes.
nice on the pr! How many hours are you doing per week across 6 days?
What's with the downvotes on these two posts? Is there a psychopath lurking on this thread?
It's been consistent for a while: almost every positive or innocuous post gets 2 downvotes. It's probably the same two people who don't have enough to fill their days.
whoever this guy is sounds like Steve Magness. “NO NO NO, YOURE DOING IT WRONG. PYRUVATE!!!!!!1.” they sound like they are mad that people are improving and enjoying their training. as others have said, this thread could be a fairly good non scientific longitudinal study that could stimulate some scientific research.
It's been consistent for a while: almost every positive or innocuous post gets 2 downvotes. It's probably the same two people who don't have enough to fill their days.