Modifying the Norwegian approach to lower mileage

You really don’t understand it’s how you communicate rather than what you communicate, it’s condescending first and information second. If your first language is not English it may account from it but is seems unlikely from you grammar.

you seems to have come on to a thread about training differently, using the principles of maximising load and minimisation fatigue, which pushing people to threshold training. Only to tell people that they should not be training traditionally but to train at or under threshold that is unique to yourself.

Throwing around nebulous terms such as "aerobically underdeveloped" and "muscular endurance" isn't communicating, it's just making noise.

I haven't told anyone how they should or should not train.

Indeed, you haven't .. all you've ever done is discuss definitions and semantics

But why not ??

If you're the guy who is not clueless around here then shouldn't you contribute to the community (or society, if you will) and give some proper advice?

I watched it on YouTube, posted by Floris Gierman.

For those reading Bakkens book, does he mention anything about stretching? I know he mentions muscle tone a lot in his Reddit posts.

edit to add I see a lot of pics of Jakob I stretching and video of him stretching in the Amazon series so not sure if it’s more of an emphasis in the Norwegian system. Yes I know a lot of elite runner stretch since they have the time.

I’m interested to hear more about Bakken’s take on strides and sprints. Somebody else posted that he doesn’t like strides to be done the day before a workout because of muscle tone issues it seems incredibly common for people to do strides the day before a workout but Bakken seems against this, reserving strides for workout days?

Seriously though, is there any reason to think you can move LT1 without moving LT2 or that there is any specific training to get LT1 closer to LT2 other than getting fitter (moving LT2 up) in general?

Looking at how elite athletes are it seems that moving LT2 up will move LT1 up even more. There is no way to move one without moving another or to do training specifically to move them closer to each other.

It seems those coaches come up with all those clever sounding theories while Sirpoc came up with "run every day, maximize load you can repeat week after week" which is actually based on sound principles unlike this mambo jambo.

If anyone bothers to read the study I posted, it nicely shows how shifting the lactate-intensity relationship downward and to the right makes it appear that so-called LT1 and LT2 get closer together. As you rightfully point out, though, it's just the whole curve shifting.

He basically refers to the scientific studies about static stretching, which show that it don't have any real effect on runners. He calls static stretching a "myth", and have his thoughts on why the myth never dies. No mentioning about muscle tone anywhere in the stretching section.

He thinks dynamic stretching can be useful in the warmup to harder sessions, and it can be used when needed.

Last weekend I achieved my new 10K PR using the Li-ning Feidien Elite 6.

The shoe was amazing at helping me maintain constant pace.

Using NSM I maintained a nice steady and managed to finish strong overtaking someone near the finish line and I didn't feel destoryed.

I have a half marathon in 2 weeks time to help me gage my marathon time for April.

I am currently using a 6 day version of Sirpoc's marathon plan with some things swapped around and reduced due to my time constraints in the morning, let's see how it goes.

nice on the pr! How many hours are you doing per week across 6 days?

Thanks!

7.40-8 hours.

To be fair, Uphill Athlete has been saying this for a long time (see their article on "Aerobic Deficiency" from 2018 among others) and it's not that far out there.

Basically comes down to: If you're still aerobically underdeveloped, slow, don't do unnecessary hard stuff, but focus on LT1-ish.

Not that different from NSM.

To be fair, "sweet spot" training has been popular among cyclists since Frank Overton of Fascat Coaching wrote about it over 25 years ago.

Before that, of course, the East German swimmers of the 1980s did lots of "sub-T" training (verified via lactate measurements).

And even before that, of course, you had Lydiard's "best aerobic pace" workouts.

When it comes to bread-and-butter endurance training, there is nothing new under the sun . . . and being "aerobically underdeveloped" simply means that you haven't reached your full potential.

What's with the downvotes on these two posts? Is there a psychopath lurking on this thread?

It's been consistent for a while: almost every positive or innocuous post gets 2 downvotes. It's probably the same two people who don't have enough to fill their days.

whoever this guy is sounds like Steve Magness. “NO NO NO, YOURE DOING IT WRONG. PYRUVATE!!!!!!1.” they sound like they are mad that people are improving and enjoying their training. as others have said, this thread could be a fairly good non scientific longitudinal study that could stimulate some scientific research.

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