L L wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
INCORRECT! I have, in a crystal clear way, explained my CORRECT position here. I am not responsible for your inability to understand.
So, you you are saying I am wrong and you are right - as usual with any poster who has a different view than yours.
Yes, but if he writes INCORRECT in capitals and with an exclamation mark it make you even more wrong, didn't you know.
Never trust someone who deals in absolutes.
highhoppingworm wrote:
Agreed. What kind if dip-$hit in his position “jokes” about not recognizing an election result. “Joking” about a potential coup is not even in the vicinity of funny. We all know what this actually was... a dog whistle disguised as a joke.
Another hysterical one.
What anyone with any sense knows is that what this actually was was simply laughing at the hysteria of folks like you and the reporter who asked the question. What Pompeo was saying was simply that the process will play out. Just chill and let it play out.
Trollminator wrote:
Dan Kahneman wrote:
After 4 years of Trump, I am really tired of the , "he was only kidding" excuse for crass, inappropriate behavior. That excuse just doesn't fly anymore. This is too important of a topic.
Agreed. I do have a problem with this taking over the headlines and adding to trump's attention grabbing, but this kind of thing has to be highlighted every single time.
No, it really doesn't. All that does is make us look like a bunch of hysterical children. Frankly, you couldn't be doing the GOP's job any better than you are if you tried.
As a long-time lurker, I would say that, on the whole, I appreciated Flagpole's posts. His tone is a bit unconventional, but what he posts is usually worth listening to. I don't always agree with him but I can tell that he has thought about his position.
L L wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
2. Would Trump have been re-elected if covid never happened?
I think covid may have helped Trump make the election closer than it should have been.
At the beginning of covid we were dealing with the aftermath of a totally partisan impeachment trial where Republicans were saying he truly was guilty of abuse of power and obstruction of justice but it wasn't bad enough to remove him and he would learn from it. To let the voters decide.
He used covid to sure up his base and point the blame at Democrats for lockdowns and any down turn in the economy.
Many believed covid was a Democrat and media conspiracy to hurt Trump and would go away after the election.
Trump's numbers barely moved no matter what scandals or issues came up during his entire presidency.
The difference was character and fewer people voting third party.
Covid prevented the election from being a pretty significant win for Trump. It served to, nearly on a daily basis, to expose the boob from what he is....beginning with incompetent.
appreciate
Trollminator wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Heading to Mar-a-lago would prevent the negative image of him being forcefully removed from the White House, so you may be right about him doing that. Ultimately, he can do whatever he wants, he will not be President come Jan. 21, 2021 at the time Biden is sworn in. Trump had better watch what he does between now and then and then after. If he tries to mobilize civilians against the Biden Administration in a violent way, he may spend the rest of his life in prison.
I keep trying to see the polar opposite of what Dems may be thinking. We may think he will feel humiliated and that may be very true but he might not care if DEMS think little of him. He might see value in the deep state physically forcing out the real patriots' president. Trump believes he's invincible after criming for 4 years without consequence and with people continuing to enable him. He has 70m enablers now! I am willing to bet we would see some violence if he gets dragged out of the WH. That's the kind of chaos he likes.
I'm not sure this isn't the ultimate goal. The immediate goal is for Trump...every day....to be about Trump. It's how he's handled his life and Presidency. It's not going to change now. Getting dragged out of the WH on Jan 20th would be the ultimate attention getter. So until it is ruled out by Trump, it definitely must be considered.
Trollminator wrote:
I saw a good suggestion on twitter earlier. Construct a fake oval office at Mar a Virus, tell him the results were overturned and that Dems are rushing the WH so he needs to work remotely. Pay a team to play pretend with him and route all his communications through them without him knowing. They can generate headlines to his liking, grow his fake twitter following to 300 million, stream pre-recorded FOX segments and feed him burgers and cokes to his liking. Oh and of course golfing, lots of golfing... basically create a safe space to shield the country from this guy. They can install hidden cameras and charge viewers a streaming fee to cover the costs. He would be stuck in that loop for the rest of his life.
The other much better and fair idea is to throw him in the brig.
While that would be both impossible and very funny, that Mother F*cker needs to not be coddled in any way and needs to feel his loss fully. He needs to KNOW that he is irrelevant. His dumb@ss supporters need to see their Idol fall before them.
Real Obvi wrote:
Racket wrote:
If someone has to have their hand held and explained in excruciatingly obvious detail why they're wrong then I wouldn't exactly call that person "smart."
Yup
I am reminded of a Happy Days episode where Fonzie could just not admit that he was wrong. He would try to say he was wrong by going "I am wrrrrr.." Another attempt "I am wrrrrrrrr.." He just was not able to say he was wrong. It was a long time ago but I think in the end he admitted being not right.
Sally Vix wrote:
Real Obvi wrote:
Yup
I am reminded of a Happy Days episode where Fonzie could just not admit that he was wrong. He would try to say he was wrong by going "I am wrrrrr.." Another attempt "I am wrrrrrrrr.." He just was not able to say he was wrong. It was a long time ago but I think in the end he admitted being not right.
Something about pots and kettles springs to mind.
Trollminator wrote:
I saw a good suggestion on twitter earlier. Construct a fake oval office at Mar a Virus, tell him the results were overturned and that Dems are rushing the WH so he needs to work remotely. Pay a team to play pretend with him and route all his communications through them without him knowing. They can generate headlines to his liking, grow his fake twitter following to 300 million, stream pre-recorded FOX segments and feed him burgers and cokes to his liking. Oh and of course golfing, lots of golfing... basically create a safe space to shield the country from this guy. They can install hidden cameras and charge viewers a streaming fee to cover the costs. He would be stuck in that loop for the rest of his life.
The other much better and fair idea is to throw him in the brig.
I actually like this idea. Declare that he's actually still POTUS. Hold PC's with OAN and livestream somehow. Sign orders left an right. An alternate reality.
Trollminator wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
I do not reject your thoughts here. What is the legal cost though? Trump may like the chaos that he causes, but there is always a cost-benefit analysis. Is refusing to leave the White House after losing an election treason? The still-stated punishment for treason in the US is death. Will he be SO unwilling to admit defeat that he's willing to be charged with treason (if indeed that's the charge)? I hope to hear more from legal experts about what happens if he refuses to leave. So far I have just heard that he will be escorted out. That CAN'T be the end of it.
I know he's been a survivor but I think becoming POTUS got to his head. This is the biggest narcissist we've ever seen in the political arena maybe ever. Worst things have happened to others who were much more restrained and calculating than he is. I think he may spiral into total recklessness and not understand the risks.
I imagine the GOP will be 100% behind him if it comes to his forced removal. They will say the treatment is unfair and that the Dems (including Obama-appointed judges) never let him make his arguments. They can put several high profile lawyers on FOX to explain the lack of legality, etc. I cannot imagine after 4 years of being totally above the law that there will be appetite to charge him with treason and dish out harsh punishment.
I think Biden will simply have the DC police and US Marshals escort him out unnoticed, with zip ties if needed. They don't have to charge him with anything - he simply won't be able to get back inside the WH. By then he will not have any authority and all his appointees will be gone.
I agree that there will not be a NEED to charge him with anything if he has to be physically removed, but what does JUSTICE say? I say justice says we would HAVE to charge him with something (again, treason seems the right thing to me, but I'll let the legal eagles handle that). How is refusing the result of an election NOT treason? How do we NOT set an example for any future dictator wannabe that that type of behavior isn't allowed here?
Sally Vix wrote:
Real Obvi wrote:
Yup
I am reminded of a Happy Days episode where Fonzie could just not admit that he was wrong. He would try to say he was wrong by going "I am wrrrrr.." Another attempt "I am wrrrrrrrr.." He just was not able to say he was wrong. It was a long time ago but I think in the end he admitted being not right.
If this is true of Flagpole, then he has one thing in common with our current President. Who not only has never done anything wrong, but everything thing he does in the best ever.
zephito wrote:
L L wrote:
I think covid may have helped Trump make the election closer than it should have been.
Interesting theory and possibly true. Certainly other leaders have had their polling numbers go up. I ultimately disagree with this, however. The polls were closer back in January and Biden increased his lead throughout the summer.
The final "polls" were the votes on election day and that was closer in favor of Trump than it had been all year.
Any summer "lead" is moot.
It looks like he got 47% of the votes and I never saw Trump getting over 46% anywhere all year.
Flagpole wrote:
ATLXRunner wrote:
Of course you rejected it. I reject things I can't afford too.
Enjoy Ohio. And watch out for those treacherous stairs. lol
An odd person you are.
Not sure why you are adamant about HAVING stairs in a home when you are elderly. Seems weird. Lots of things can happen in old age to make stairs a big problem...arthritis or any kind of aging issue. You are in denial if you believe you will be as physically capable in old age as you are today.
Read this and become educated -
https://ellisinjurylaw.com/premises/how-many-people-have-died-from-falling-down-stairs/Even if you don't die from a stair fall, who wants to become injured from a fall? Who wants to have to climb stairs all the time when very old? There's a reason why ranch style homes are popular with retired people.
Your stance on this is puzzling. Basically you are making fun of me for not wanting stairs in old age. Um...ok.
Man, you are REALLY obsessed with stairs.
Why don't you just move straight into a nursing home now. Save the hassle. lol
Basically you are making fun of me - Earlier, no. At this point yes.
It seems I'm not the only one on this thread making fun of you either. When I initially engaged with you because you expressed interest in moving to ATL and we just happened to be putting our house in Brookhaven on the market on Friday, I was being genuine. Now that I see you are an annoying little prick, you're right, I am poking fun at you.
Hope you get a house without stoves, hot water, or ovens. Wouldn't want to get burned 30 years from now. lol
ATLXRunner wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
An odd person you are.
Not sure why you are adamant about HAVING stairs in a home when you are elderly. Seems weird. Lots of things can happen in old age to make stairs a big problem...arthritis or any kind of aging issue. You are in denial if you believe you will be as physically capable in old age as you are today.
Read this and become educated -
https://ellisinjurylaw.com/premises/how-many-people-have-died-from-falling-down-stairs/Even if you don't die from a stair fall, who wants to become injured from a fall? Who wants to have to climb stairs all the time when very old? There's a reason why ranch style homes are popular with retired people.
Your stance on this is puzzling. Basically you are making fun of me for not wanting stairs in old age. Um...ok.
Man, you are REALLY obsessed with stairs.
Why don't you just move straight into a nursing home now. Save the hassle. lol
Basically you are making fun of me - Earlier, no. At this point yes.
It seems I'm not the only one on this thread making fun of you either. When I initially engaged with you because you expressed interest in moving to ATL and we just happened to be putting our house in Brookhaven on the market on Friday, I was being genuine. Now that I see you are an annoying little prick, you're right, I am poking fun at you.
Hope you get a house without stoves, hot water, or ovens. Wouldn't want to get burned 30 years from now. lol
I don't think we need to worry about Flagpole living in a place with stoves, hot water and ovens. I hate to say this but soon I see him residing in a place with rubber walls.
highhoppingworm wrote:
I would stop talking the bait FP.
Any person who price drops their upper middle class house and comments on other people's ability to afford it clearly has a chip on their shoulder re their asset level. This whole exchange stinks of insecurity, especially the travel part.
I think that maybe the house offer was bogus Flagpole bait.
L L wrote:
zephito wrote:
Interesting theory and possibly true. Certainly other leaders have had their polling numbers go up. I ultimately disagree with this, however. The polls were closer back in January and Biden increased his lead throughout the summer.
The final "polls" were the votes on election day and that was closer in favor of Trump than it had been all year.
Any summer "lead" is moot.
It looks like he got 47% of the votes and I never saw Trump getting over 46% anywhere all year.
538 polling average Feb 29: Biden +4.1
538 polling average Nov 3: Biden +8.4
Trump did close somewhat at the end but not that much. I suspect had the election been on Feb 29th, Trump would have won.
Fat hurts wrote:
highhoppingworm wrote:
I would stop talking the bait FP.
Any person who price drops their upper middle class house and comments on other people's ability to afford it clearly has a chip on their shoulder re their asset level. This whole exchange stinks of insecurity, especially the travel part.
I think that maybe the house offer was bogus Flagpole bait.
No trolling. No bait. (at least a first)
Typically when selling a house, one includes the listing price in the description. Price and, of course, whether or not it has (gasp!) STAIRS!!!!
But but muh people’s pundit
But but muh polls
ENJOY YOUR LOSS BIFF ???