the germans had to defend their conquests in the West - germany was at war with the UK. Germany couldn't just leave Europe undefended. Because the UK was still at war with Germany, Germany had to keep forces in the West.
If the UK had surrendered, Germany could have moved almost all of its forces to the East and defeated the USSR. It was very close.
Yes... and even if 100% of those troops were sent to the eastern front it wouldn't have mattered.
It was not very close at all. Read a book.
the question is what would have happened if Germany had focused on taking Moscow instead of diverting south to Ukraine. Certainly Germany could have conquered moscow had it focused its forces and moved in fresh forces from France. Would that have ended the USSR? We'll never know.
Yes... and even if 100% of those troops were sent to the eastern front it wouldn't have mattered.
It was not very close at all. Read a book.
the question is what would have happened if Germany had focused on taking Moscow instead of diverting south to Ukraine. Certainly Germany could have conquered moscow had it focused its forces and moved in fresh forces from France. Would that have ended the USSR? We'll never know.
Yes... and even if 100% of those troops were sent to the eastern front it wouldn't have mattered.
It was not very close at all. Read a book.
the question is what would have happened if Germany had focused on taking Moscow instead of diverting south to Ukraine. Certainly Germany could have conquered moscow had it focused its forces and moved in fresh forces from France. Would that have ended the USSR? We'll never know.
the question is what would have happened if Germany had focused on taking Moscow instead of diverting south to Ukraine. Certainly Germany could have conquered moscow had it focused its forces and moved in fresh forces from France. Would that have ended the USSR? We'll never know.
Russians suffered more casualties in 3 months in 1941 than the US has suffered in all of its wars in its entire history combined and kept fighting because it's soldiers are "well-known cowards".
the question is what would have happened if Germany had focused on taking Moscow instead of diverting south to Ukraine. Certainly Germany could have conquered moscow had it focused its forces and moved in fresh forces from France. Would that have ended the USSR? We'll never know.
Except we do know.
Napoleon occupied Moscow.
The Russians just moved further east.
How'd that work out for Napoleon?
look, when a mighty mechanized and disciplined 20c fighting force gets within 15 miles of a capital city, we have to say 'well that was close.'
Your precedent from the early 19c is not all that relevant. Germans had airplanes, trains, trucks to resupply. Napoleon had none of that, so his troops starved.
not sure how debatable that is.
Fun history talk, but it is just a diversion so you don't have to argue that yeah the UK should have surrendered, in an accurate parallel to the argument that Ukraine should just surrender so it can stop fighting.
the question is what would have happened if Germany had focused on taking Moscow instead of diverting south to Ukraine. Certainly Germany could have conquered moscow had it focused its forces and moved in fresh forces from France. Would that have ended the USSR? We'll never know.
Russian soldiers are well-known cowards.
Yeah right. I am sure you tell them that to their face.
So Trump admin has now elevated Trump’s demand from Ukrainian elections to wanting Zelenskyy to resign outright. No election needed. This is to appease Putin who will only agree to a peace deal if they can install another Putin Puppet in Ukraine.
But this is yet another example of how Trumpers look like fools when they defend Trump. Trumpers have spent days pounding the table that a lack of election prove Zelenskyy is a dictator. Now Trump proves he never gave a sh!t about elections.
He just wants Zelenskyy gone. Not very democratic eh?
And the Putinists like Jimmy Dore, et al have been howling from the beginning of the war at how Victoria Nuland was behind the Maidan Revolution that overthrew Yanukovych. Now, Trump is manufacturing a crisis (he will announce tomorrow that the US is cutting off all Ukraine aid until there are elections in Ukraine) to force out Zelensky.
But at least if Victoria Nuland had the power to send Ukrainians into the streets, she had some sound geopolitical reasons to get rid of Yanukovych. Trump wants Zelensky out because he didn't say "thank you". And while Ukrainians are very war weary, if you think they are going to elect someone who will kiss Trump's ring and bow to Putin, you are in for a big surprise. Valery Zaluzhny would be the presumptive favorite to replace Zelensky. Zaluzhny led the UA armed forces against RU from 2021 to 2024. He is not going to roll over to Putin. However, he may not be interested in the job. Then there is Vitali Klitschko. He is probably the last guy on earth that Trump would want to sit down with. The main disagreements between these three have been the progress of the war and strategy. But they are all united in wanting to fight Russia and none of the three will accept the kind of peace plan that Trump has been floating (i.e. give Russia everything they are demanding).
If your argument consists of calling people "Putinists" you have been brainwashed.
He’s a smart business man and he’s going to make us all rich . It’s going to be tremendous
He is brilliant economically speaking. Trump will bring massive prosperity to decent Americans who love their country unlike liberals who just want to destroy the very foundations from which we all breathe our native freedom. Trump will end the alleged Punzi Social Security scheme that has ruined the fabric of our very society. The liberal leeches who made millions on the scam will be hounded like losers. Those who rigged the 2020 election will be indicted and incarcerated in federal penitentiaries across a wide swath of this formerly great land of ours America which is now a slime pit.
Yeah right. I am sure you tell them that to their face.
Hi Newname.
Hope you are happy with your vote to prop up the IDF. Great job. 35,000 2,000 lb bombs.
The Trump administration in late January ordered a stop to all foreign aid, including military aid, except to Israel and Egypt, without a waiver. On Friday, the administration said it was sending Israel nearly $3 billion in new weapons, including more than 35,000 new 2,000 pound bombs, invoking an emergency rule under U.S. arms control laws.
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Yeah right. I am sure you tell them that to their face.
Hi Newname.
Hope you are happy with your vote to prop up the IDF. Great job. 35,000 2,000 lb bombs.
The Trump administration in late January ordered a stop to all foreign aid, including military aid, except to Israel and Egypt, without a waiver. On Friday, the administration said it was sending Israel nearly $3 billion in new weapons, including more than 35,000 new 2,000 pound bombs, invoking an emergency rule under U.S. arms control laws.
Newname secretly must hate Palestinians, otherwise he wouldn't have bowed down to drumpf.
look, when a mighty mechanized and disciplined 20c fighting force gets within 15 miles of a capital city, we have to say 'well that was close.'
Your precedent from the early 19c is not all that relevant. Germans had airplanes, trains, trucks to resupply. Napoleon had none of that, so his troops starved.
not sure how debatable that is.
Fun history talk, but it is just a diversion so you don't have to argue that yeah the UK should have surrendered, in an accurate parallel to the argument that Ukraine should just surrender so it can stop fighting.
Except sitting in the city doesn't mean anything. It was symbolic... just like Stalingrad. A strategically worthless city that Hitler wanted because it had Stalin's name on it.
The Germans used horse drawn supply just like Napoleon. The logistical failings were what doomed the Germans.
The Germans didn't have winter clothes or enough supplies either.
You don't know very much about this.
Ukraine can't win. Fighting when you can't win is dumb. It's immoral when the people demanding the fighting continue aren't the people actually fighting.
Ukrainian men are honor bound to fight. Do you have any idea how much it must suck to be forced to fight in a losing war knowing your side will never win?
The Ukrainians want an out. Trump gave them a way to save face and end the war.
bump, as trump's policies erase trillions from the global economy via a sharp stock market drop.
Trump's policies haven't even kicked in yet you idiot.
Which policies? The market is reacting to The biggest economy in the world announcing it will implement blanket tariffs on many of its biggest trading partner. It just passed a budget that cuts taxes from the top end and created trillions in budget shortfalls while cutting public services. The fed is forecasting a Q1 2%+ LOSS in GDP. How are people (the market) supposed to react?
Yeah right. I am sure you tell them that to their face.
I will tell Russian soldiers that they are cowards right to their loser faces. They are all cowards and total losers. If it wasn't for America, all those Russian cowards would be eating stale weinerschnitzels right now.
look, when a mighty mechanized and disciplined 20c fighting force gets within 15 miles of a capital city, we have to say 'well that was close.'
Your precedent from the early 19c is not all that relevant. Germans had airplanes, trains, trucks to resupply. Napoleon had none of that, so his troops starved.
not sure how debatable that is.
Fun history talk, but it is just a diversion so you don't have to argue that yeah the UK should have surrendered, in an accurate parallel to the argument that Ukraine should just surrender so it can stop fighting.
Except sitting in the city doesn't mean anything. It was symbolic... just like Stalingrad. A strategically worthless city that Hitler wanted because it had Stalin's name on it.
The Germans used horse drawn supply just like Napoleon. The logistical failings were what doomed the Germans.
The Germans didn't have winter clothes or enough supplies either.
You don't know very much about this.
Ukraine can't win. Fighting when you can't win is dumb. It's immoral when the people demanding the fighting continue aren't the people actually fighting.
Ukrainian men are honor bound to fight. Do you have any idea how much it must suck to be forced to fight in a losing war knowing your side will never win?
The Ukrainians want an out. Trump gave them a way to save face and end the war.
UKR actually is hanging in there. Take a look at the news. UKR is relentlessly blowing up the RU energy infrastructure - they just struck 1300 km into RU. and UKR just caused perhaps the biggest arms depot explosion of the war.
We all know the war will end by freezing the lines about where they are now, and UKR can hold that.
Hope you are happy with your vote to prop up the IDF. Great job. 35,000 2,000 lb bombs.
The Trump administration in late January ordered a stop to all foreign aid, including military aid, except to Israel and Egypt, without a waiver. On Friday, the administration said it was sending Israel nearly $3 billion in new weapons, including more than 35,000 new 2,000 pound bombs, invoking an emergency rule under U.S. arms control laws.
Newname secretly must hate Palestinians, otherwise he wouldn't have bowed down to drumpf.
My God you are dumb.
I support ending the slaughter in Ukraine and the slaughter in Palestine.
I am with Trump on Ukraine and oppose him in Palestine.
Yeah right. I am sure you tell them that to their face.
I will tell Russian soldiers that they are cowards right to their loser faces. They are all cowards and total losers. If it wasn't for America, all those Russian cowards would be eating stale weinerschnitzels right now.
Sure you will.
Another keyboard tough guy with the emotional maturity of a 13 year old
Except sitting in the city doesn't mean anything. It was symbolic... just like Stalingrad. A strategically worthless city that Hitler wanted because it had Stalin's name on it.
The Germans used horse drawn supply just like Napoleon. The logistical failings were what doomed the Germans.
The Germans didn't have winter clothes or enough supplies either.
You don't know very much about this.
Ukraine can't win. Fighting when you can't win is dumb. It's immoral when the people demanding the fighting continue aren't the people actually fighting.
Ukrainian men are honor bound to fight. Do you have any idea how much it must suck to be forced to fight in a losing war knowing your side will never win?
The Ukrainians want an out. Trump gave them a way to save face and end the war.
UKR actually is hanging in there. Take a look at the news. UKR is relentlessly blowing up the RU energy infrastructure - they just struck 1300 km into RU. and UKR just caused perhaps the biggest arms depot explosion of the war.
We all know the war will end by freezing the lines about where they are now, and UKR can hold that.
Except they're not... Russia is advancing every day and the outcome is not in doubt.
World War 2 was over in 1942. Germany had no chance of victory by December of 1942. Japan was strategically defeated on December 7th, 1941 when they failed to sink our carriers.
Ukraine has lost. If Ukraine could hold the current lines Russia wouldn't be advancing every day.
Hope you are happy with your vote to prop up the IDF. Great job. 35,000 2,000 lb bombs.
The Trump administration in late January ordered a stop to all foreign aid, including military aid, except to Israel and Egypt, without a waiver. On Friday, the administration said it was sending Israel nearly $3 billion in new weapons, including more than 35,000 new 2,000 pound bombs, invoking an emergency rule under U.S. arms control laws.
Newname secretly must hate Palestinians, otherwise he wouldn't have bowed down to drumpf.
Newman hates America. He loves Russia. He is flawed mentally. Russia is a nation of degenerates and cowards. Russian cities are all disgusting, filthy places loaded with losers and fools.