Shhhhhhhhhh wrote:
Hey guys this seems like something you should start your own thread about.
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Shhhhhhhhhh wrote:
Hey guys this seems like something you should start your own thread about.
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Very Interested wrote:
Shhhhhhhhhh wrote:Hey guys this seems like something you should start your own thread about.
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I just wanted to quote you quoting me.
QuickStart wrote:
What?! + When?! + I work for a terrible director = all the same person desperately trying to feel validated. 😂
So sad
I work for a terrible director wrote:The non-loyal assistant is going to get canned whether right or wrong 10 times out of 10. Unless we're talking about ethical/illegal issues here. And yes, because loyalty is so important in this profession, that's the way it should be. Not excusing bad head coaches. But the assistant has to let that take care of itself. The assistant's only job description is "Make the Head Coach's Job Easier." Any assistant needs to acknowledge this before signing up. The assistant who gains a reputation for disloyalty won't be in this profession (at least at a high level) long. And If I'm ever head coach, I won't go near an assistant known for disloyalty no matter how good they are. And all this is coming from an assistant who works for a very well know sh!tty head coach.
So tell us...how's your job search coming? Don't like it? Get out. This is how it works in the real world as well. The real world just has a better system in place to get rid of bad bosses...I assume. Sorry for the double post by the way.
The problem with young, passionate, and usually good coaches is that they do not have a clue what being a head coach means. As an assistant you are an advocate for your event group. You also can ask for lots of stuff that in a perfect world your program would do but is just not possible. On top of that, the relationship that an assistant has with the athletes is always going to be different from the head coach. Assistants can be the coach that the athletes talks to and complains to. The second an assistant gets promoted to a head coach and goes to the other side of that big desk everything changes. Now you are the big bad guy that suddenly is not approachable. You also have to put the program health above your favorite event area. The hardest part is leaning to play the politics of a college campus. Head coaches that are always bugging their AD for more or are always complaining become ineffective. Navigating the mine field that is university politics is a skill that can get you the things that want or get you fired. In the end it comes down to ego. Young coaches all think they know better. Sometimes they do but that doesn't mean that what they want is possible and until they get their own program they need to humble themselves and learn how to be assets to their programs instead of undercutting the person who gave them that opportunity.
Experience changes you wrote:
The problem with young, passionate, and usually good coaches is that they do not have a clue what being a head coach means. As an assistant you are an advocate for your event group. You also can ask for lots of stuff that in a perfect world your program would do but is just not possible. On top of that, the relationship that an assistant has with the athletes is always going to be different from the head coach. Assistants can be the coach that the athletes talks to and complains to. The second an assistant gets promoted to a head coach and goes to the other side of that big desk everything changes. Now you are the big bad guy that suddenly is not approachable. You also have to put the program health above your favorite event area. The hardest part is leaning to play the politics of a college campus. Head coaches that are always bugging their AD for more or are always complaining become ineffective. Navigating the mine field that is university politics is a skill that can get you the things that want or get you fired. In the end it comes down to ego. Young coaches all think they know better. Sometimes they do but that doesn't mean that what they want is possible and until they get their own program they need to humble themselves and learn how to be assets to their programs instead of undercutting the person who gave them that opportunity.
Exactly. Couldn't agree more.
Experience changes you wrote:
The problem with young, passionate, and usually good coaches is that they do not have a clue what being a head coach means. As an assistant you are an advocate for your event group. You also can ask for lots of stuff that in a perfect world your program would do but is just not possible. On top of that, the relationship that an assistant has with the athletes is always going to be different from the head coach. Assistants can be the coach that the athletes talks to and complains to. The second an assistant gets promoted to a head coach and goes to the other side of that big desk everything changes. Now you are the big bad guy that suddenly is not approachable. You also have to put the program health above your favorite event area. The hardest part is leaning to play the politics of a college campus. Head coaches that are always bugging their AD for more or are always complaining become ineffective. Navigating the mine field that is university politics is a skill that can get you the things that want or get you fired. In the end it comes down to ego. Young coaches all think they know better. Sometimes they do but that doesn't mean that what they want is possible and until they get their own program they need to humble themselves and learn how to be assets to their programs instead of undercutting the person who gave them that opportunity.
Well said! Couldn't agree more!!!!
this thread isn't just for distance coaches to gossip about each other. go sit down.
Back to jobs
i actually agree with this model, Throws Coaches make great directors/head coaches. You need either a great staff or a head track coach who can coach multiple disciplines.
Since so much talk is about Coach Barreau and CNU. Why all the hate? By the way he is still listed as the Head Cross Country/Distance Coach so I don't know why his team was already informed of this decision... It's crazy that a petition is going around with over 300 signatures, I've never heard of this after a firing of a coach...
Seems like a good NAIA job, anybody know anything about the program/situation?
Anyone know if the Lafayette distance coach position is being filled? They don't have a distance coach listed on their roster anymore.
Not necessarily true
It sounds like psychological projection at its best. You are going off topic once again desperately trying to justify yourself. It's pitiful.
In the simplest of terms. As head coaches we are responsible for our athletes and our staff. We should be coaching at the same level and effort as our assistants.
Navigating through the university minefield as you call it with your AD and whoever is not an excuse not to be there for your athletes and staff. It's what we signed up for and why we get paid more.
Stop making excuses for yourself. If you are a young head coach, you're going to lose a lot of valuable assistants along the way. Dont be that head coach known for losing assistants. I guarantee you if they are valuable they will find another place and you will be exposed.
why are you saying sorry?
My job search is great! Not a year goes by where I cant get a job!
Haha sucka
Back to the reason we're all here....
Azusa Pacific Director position....
https://apu-openhire.silkroad.com/epostings/index.cfm?fuseaction=app.jobInfo&version=2&jobid=2239
There is no justification at all. I am not a young head coach and i have had far more good assistants than bad. I never said that I was not coaching up to the level of my assistants. You are assuming that i have had lots of issues. Thats not true. My best assistants have made me a better head coach. My worst assistants could not follow simple instructions and were backstabbers and immature with the team. So i should keep people like that? Of course not and neither would any other head coach with any sense. None of that changes the fact that if you have been a head coach you know it is drastically different from being an assistant and most young coaches are naive to that even when you try to tell them. Coaching is full of ambitious people of all backgrounds, ages, and experience levels. Our own egos and ambitions get in the way of our ability to learn from others. Every coach has made mistakes but you have to support the people you work with unless there are serious ethical, unsafe, or illegal activities going on. If you disagree with things then work your butt off and get a different job, but make sure that head coach can write you a positive reference. My post was about the reality of making that transition up the ladder. There are a lot of really good young coaches that don't understand how to be good assistants because they already know everything. Sorry if that truth bothers you but it is what it is.
newsworthy wrote:
Seems like a good NAIA job, anybody know anything about the program/situation?
The track team has only been around 3 years. No on campus track facilities. Small school, tricky recruiting a group of quality runners for XC. Seems to be getting more and more administrative support over the last 7 years.
Tusculum College seeks Head XC/Assistant Track Coach
http://www3.tusculum.edu/hr/2017/head-cross-country-coachassistant-track-field-coach/
No kidding, what a bunch of little b!tchez!! Less whining about some dude that sent nudes or your thoughts/feelings about assistant coach vs head coach. Need more job prospects. I feel like this has turned into some daytime talk show, like the one with Sharon Osbourne or Whoopi Goldberg.
Long beach community college has a posting for 80-100k. How much is that mid west dollars?