There is no “genetic superiority” when it comes to distance running. Literally everyone sub 2:09 is just doping.

So you can't name another Olympic distance running champion in that era. You evade the point as only a practiced liar will.

You are a chronic liar. With the exception of Keino and Temu in '68, and Keino's steeplechase in '72, every running event from the 800m to the marathon in every Olympic Games from when Kenyans first participated in '56 till 1980 was won by a competitor from another country.

From 1960 till 1976 New Zealand produced three Olympic champions - who were also world record holders - as well as medallists in the distance events. That is one more than from your much-vaunted Kenya in the same span of time - and from a much smaller country.

But this is not helpful at all, Coevett.

- you leave positions 1 - 14

- the games you choose are separated by 48 years and not consecutive

- the events you choose are randomly choosen as well

- your points system makes no sense at all, for same result you should give same points, otherwise your result will tell nothing.

Look how you can do it much better:

- it's a must to include top -positions (for example medal positions 1 - 3 or final battle 1 - 8)

- take a not interrupted time-span, like 1964 - 1979

- take events who have something in common (like sprints, horizontal jumps, middle and long distance events)

- take a serious point system (high points for 1st place, less points for lower places)

I did something like this here in this thread:

Top 8 placings at all the middle and long distance events at all the Olympic Games in the period 1964 - 1979. 8 points for 1st place down to 1 point for 8th place

Kenya ended by some margin with the most points (despite the 76 boycott).

or look at this interesting statistic, Coevett:

Kenya by far has most points while looking at all the national records in the time span 1964 - 1979 for the most successful nations in five year intervals. Also here Kenya ends clearly as the no. 1.

These are extremely interesting facts which are presented here.

Such statistics are extremely helpful, they show that Kenya already in the period 1964 - 1979 was the most successful nation in middle and long distance running (including the steeple). Kenya already was the no. 1 nation in middle and long distance running back then.

Your's and Armstrong's posts surely also show that both of you are racists but first of all they show that both of you are absurdly stupid. And that you are extremely uninformed about the subject to which you are constantly posting complete nonsense.

Btw. women don't run 110m hurdles.

Every sentence I have written in this whole thread was 100% correct.

OK, the challenge definitely is beyond you.

You still struggle with the concept of a country.

Is Michael Phelps the most successful Olympian in history? No, all others combined have won more medals.

But again your post is not related to the fact that Kenya was the most successful nation in track distance running in the period 1964 - 1979.

But what this thread has proven now dozens of times, is that in all the "fights" with you (also in other threads) I had to deal with a total jerk who also doesn't know anything about the subject.

Your argumentation in the doping related subjects is at exactly the same level.

For sure Kenya has won more Olympic Gold medals in the period 1964 - 1979 in the middle and long track distances than New Zealand. But this is of not much relevance. The most Gold medals were won by Finland with five. Four of them by Lasse Viren (he benefited by the African boycott in 76). So Finland comes 1st in this metric. But since Finland is way behind the other contenders in almost any other one which I have checked, the country definitely can't be no. 1 in this period. Despite Viren, Finland is behind Kenya, USA, Great Britain and New Zealand.

Btw. Finland was the no. 1 nation in the 1920s and also 1930s in distance running.

Coevett, instead of downvoting any comment you don't like, you could improve a lot if you just understand something which a random five year old should understand: there is no connection between the correctness of a statistic about something 50 years in the past and a current string of positive doping tests.

Any number I have given and any reasoning about them which I did were 100% correct.

Two questions should now be discussed:

1) How was it possible that Kenya became so enormously successful in track distance running just a few years after they started to compete internationally?

2) What does it tell us about the current situation?

Marc Scott joining them in Kenya to train!! You can't beat them, regardless of dope, so you gotta join them!

The highly-selective criteria you choose determine your conclusions. They therefore reflect your bias. You also evade the points I make because you can't refute them. You lose.You need to start doping. Like most Kenyans.

They weren't as successful as you recite like a tedious mantra. They therefore increased their doping.

Kenya won 3 gold medals in the period 1964-79, from 2 runners. New Zealand won 4 gold medals from 1960-76, from 3 runners. All of the New Zealand runners were world record holders - only one of the Kenyans was. New Zealand therefore produced more Olympic champions and world record holders than Kenya in the same span of time. Kenya loses again.

I can see why Kenyans are such chronic doping cheats. They share the same dishonest and distorted thinking as you do.

I use the most objective criteria someone might think of: medals, times, records.

Your criteria: Kenya can't be the most successful nation because it can't be.

You have no point, not a single one.

Kenya has had more Olympic champions and has won more Gold medals in the period 1964 - 1979 than New Zealand (despite the boycott of 76). But this is not very important, Olympic Golds is just one measure of many. Kenya is no. 1 in almost any. A fact. But you are not even able to get the Olympic champions.

But you still havn't understood what it means to compare one countrys success to another countrys success.

Armstrong:

- others are faster - no, Kenyans have set the best times, a fact

- others are winning the races - no, Kenyans have won more

- others have set the records - by far most world records from Kenyans and 50+ African records compared to 21 from all other African countries combined

I only say Kenya was the most successful country. Backed up by any statistc. But you don't even know the Olympic champions. And only 13:16.

Kenya has won 4 Gold medals from 3 runners, New Zealand 3 Gold medals from 2 runners (Kenya boycotted the 76 games).

Kenyans have set 10 world records, New Zealanders 2.

In the 1960s the most successful nations were New Zealand, Australia and the USA (have to look for the ranking but I think it would be close)

In the period 1964 - 1979 it was Kenya.

Coe and Ovett really represented the first generation of true full time runners in the West, and the Kenyans could not get near them, even though uniquely among all the major middle/long distance running nations, Kenyans concentrated ALL their athletes on the track, and had been full time for decades. It took roids and then EPO for Kenyans to close the gap.

National records in 1981

GB Kenya

800m 1:41.7 1:43.6

1000m 2:12.2 2:15.3

1500m 3:31.4 3:33.2

Mile 3:47.3 3:49.5

5000 13:00 13:06

10000 27:30 27:22

1/2 Marathon 1:01:26 1:04:15

Marathon 2:09:12 Unknown (no Kenyan in top 312 fastest all time (limit 2:15:00)

According to Slowerr, Kenya had already been the number 1 distance running nation for 22 years at this point, LOL!

I have never said anything you said I did. You never can't stop to lie, it is part of your personality. Or you are mentally ill. I think both.

You left the 3000m and steeple in your list.

You are still struggling with a seven letter name.

Your post is not addressed to the fact that Kenya was the most successful nation in track distance running in the period 1964 - to 1979. What do you have to contribute to this fact?

Her is your corrected list (but there is absolutely no connection to the point your post is addressed)

National records in 1981
GB Kenya
800m 1:41.73 1:43.56
1000m 2:12.18 2:15.3
1500m 3:31.36 3:33.16
Mile 3:47.33 3:49.45
3000 7:35.2 7:32.1
5000 13:14.6 13:06.20
10000 27:30.3 27:22.47
steeple 8:18.95 8:05.4

You still have not understood what "most successful" means at all.

Yet we see what you describe as "the most successful nation" can't get by without doping. Their achievements are a fraud. As you are.

Your case is built on arguing that achieving minor placings in a given period made Kenya the "most successful" country. You have to select those goal posts because Kenya had few winners at Olympic level - only two - and few world records - again, only two (one of which Clarke promptly obliterated). You are actually arguing (though you don't realise it) that Kenyan "success" is built on their losing - because they weren't winning Olympic titles or setting world marks from the 800m to the marathon. Athletes from other countries were.