Stop moving the goalposts. The wiretap was in Trump Tower and that is where Trump had meetings with his campaign staff. You are trying do wiggle out of this and you can't.
Stop moving the goalposts. The wiretap was in Trump Tower and that is where Trump had meetings with his campaign staff. You are trying do wiggle out of this and you can't.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Weak defense Eric. You cannot deny that there was a wiretap. That argument disappears. You lose again.
Wiretap was ordered by a judge. Info has been spread to multiple intelligence agencies and other countries have intercepted communications too. And you better believe Pooty has info ready to be leaked.
The ideal situation is for this to drag out for years, with slow drips coming out weekly, so we can watch you perform a painful series of mental jumping jacks, cartwheels, and tumblesaults to justify trumps behavior for our viewing pleasure, as you do everything possible to refuse personal responsibility.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Stop moving the goalposts. The wiretap was in Trump Tower and that is where Trump had meetings with his campaign staff. You are trying do wiggle out of this and you can't.
you think the wiretap was in trump tower - you don't know that.
and even if it was, it might have had zero to do with Trump or the campaign. There are many businesses in trujmp tower that could have been the target. there seems to have been a mysterious server in trump tower. Manafort was in trump tower. It didn't need to be on herr trump at all.
eric a blair wrote:
you think the wiretap was in trump tower - you don't know that.
If there was one, can you imagine a person more motivated than Trump to declassify the FISA documents? I cannot. Something tells me Trump won't be producing FISA documents as he has the attention span of a toddler.
It would be great if he did declassify the related FISA documents. Let's see them.
Now Conway is claiming the president has his own anonymous sources. Because you know, he's not in charge of an enormous domestic surveillance system or anything.
That poor conway woman has to make up stuff that completely fails, every day.
More walls. More executive orders.
The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
Trump_wins wrote:Obama to sit on panel for Congressional hearing, Soon! ?
Oh no! Please, anything but that! Nothing would scare us liberals more than a long, baseless investigation of one of the more popular politicians in the U.S. We would be hopelessly lost if the Trumplovers forced a terrible orator like Obama to refute these claims in front of the entire nation.
Not at all. Lets get an independent investigator to investigate whether Obama had Trump illegally wiretapped. By all means lets do that. AND lets investigate Russian hacking and Russian contacts by Trump's inner circle.
WE SHOULD ALL AGREE, LET'S PUT ALL THE CARDS ON THE TABLE AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED.
Appointment a independent investigator to look into these things.
Putin's Pawns wrote:
The Gallant Pig Man wrote:Oh no! Please, anything but that! Nothing would scare us liberals more than a long, baseless investigation of one of the more popular politicians in the U.S. We would be hopelessly lost if the Trumplovers forced a terrible orator like Obama to refute these claims in front of the entire nation.
Not at all. Lets get an independent investigator to investigate whether Obama had Trump illegally wiretapped. By all means lets do that. AND lets investigate Russian hacking and Russian contacts by Trump's inner circle.
WE SHOULD ALL AGREE, LET'S PUT ALL THE CARDS ON THE TABLE AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED.
Appointment a independent investigator to look into these things.
I didn't think you would want to do that.
Fantasy is better to you than truth.
I wasn't afraid of an independent investigator looking into trump towers being wiretapped. But let's find out EVERYTHING!
Putin's Pawns wrote:
Lets get an independent investigator to investigate whether Obama had Trump illegally wiretapped. By all means lets do that. AND lets investigate Russian hacking and Russian contacts by Trump's inner circle.
WE SHOULD ALL AGREE, LET'S PUT ALL THE CARDS ON THE TABLE AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED.
Appointment a independent investigator to look into these things.
As soon as Trump produces a single shred of evidence that Obama had him illegally wiretapped, I'll agree with you on the need for an independent investigationpalooza.
In the meantime, oh look, another Trump lie!
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/keystone-pipeline-us-steel-trump/I think are at the crisis point for a culture. There has been a radical disregard for truth.Its time for an independent impartial investigator to force people to accept the truth, to accept reality.Everything should be investigated. Right now if any individual on the FBI steps forward to say the emperor has no clothes, there will probably be fired.
The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
Putin's Pawns wrote:Lets get an independent investigator to investigate whether Obama had Trump illegally wiretapped. By all means lets do that. AND lets investigate Russian hacking and Russian contacts by Trump's inner circle.
WE SHOULD ALL AGREE, LET'S PUT ALL THE CARDS ON THE TABLE AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED.
Appointment a independent investigator to look into these things.
As soon as Trump produces a single shred of evidence that Obama had him illegally wiretapped, I'll agree with you on the need for an independent investigationpalooza.
In the meantime, oh look, another Trump lie!
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/keystone-pipeline-us-steel-trump/
Trump defenders are quiet. Tired of defending lies?
?????? wrote:
Trump defenders are quiet. Tired of defending lies?
No, their moms called them to dinner and said no internet until they clean their room.
1100 wrote:
Trumpettes are NOT Americans.
So Americans are only those people who agree with you?
Good to know.
The government records every phone conversation you have, every text and email you send and receive. They have huge databases that they mine for information and threats.
Until early January, this information was only available to 3 gov't agencies. NSA, CIA, FBI. In early January, 3 weeks before he left office, Obama expanded that to 16 agencies so it is much harder to find who is actually leaking the conversations that have been illegally obtained.
It is a felony to leak these conversations and a violation of privacy laws to record American citizens conversations without cause. But no one cares about this.
It is simply shocking how naive the majority of Americans are about government interference into their lives.
Carry on sheep.
Here is a list of some of the programs the government admits to using to record and monitor your digital and verbal interactions.
Boundless Informant: A system deployed by the National Security Agency to analyze global electronic information. In March 2013, Boundless Informant gathered 14 billion data reports from Iran, 6.3 billion from India, and 2.8 billion from the United States.[17]
BULLRUN: a highly classified U.S. National Security Agency program to preserve its ability to eavesdrop on encrypted communications by influencing and weakening encryption standards, by obtaining master encryption keys, and by gaining access to data before or after it is encrypted either by agreement, by force of law, or by computer network exploitation (hacking).
Carnivore: A system implemented by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that was designed to monitor email and electronic communications. Apparently replaced by commercial software such as NarusInsight.
Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative
DCSNet: The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)'s point-and-click surveillance system that can perform instant wiretaps on any telecommunications device located in the United States.[18]
Fairview: A mass surveillance program directed at foreign mobile phone users.
Financial Crimes Enforcement Network: A bureau of the Department of the Treasury that collects and analyzes financial transactions in order to combat financial crimes.
ICREACH: Surveillance frontend GUI that is shared with 23 government agencies, including the CIA, DEA, and FBI, to search illegally collected personal records.
Magic Lantern: A keystroke logging software deployed by the FBI in the form of an e-mail attachment. When activated, it acts as a trojan horse and allows the FBI to decrypt user communications.[19]
Main Core: A personal and financial database storing information of millions of U.S. citizens believed to be threats to national security.[20] The data mostly comes from the NSA, FBI, CIA, as well as other government sources.[20]
MAINWAY: NSA database containing metadata for hundreds of billions of telephone calls made through the four largest telephone carriers in the United States.
MUSCULAR: Overseas wiretapping of Google's and Yahoo's unencrypted internal networks by the NSA.
MYSTIC is a voice interception program used by the National Security Agency.
Nationwide Suspicious Activity Reporting Initiative: Under this government initiative, a Suspicious Activity Report (SAR) may be filed by law enforcers, public safety personnel, owners of critical infrastructure or the general public.
NSA ANT catalog: a 50-page document listing technology available to the United States National Security Agency (NSA) ANT division to aid in cyber-surveillance.
PRISM: A clandestine national security electronic surveillance program operated by the United States National Security Agency (NSA) which can target customers of participating corporations outside or inside the United States.
Room 641A: A telecommunication interception facility operated by AT&T for the U.S. National Security Agency.
Sentry Eagle: efforts to monitor and attack an adversary's cyberspace through capabilities include SIGINT, Computer Network Exploitation (CNE), Information Assurance, Computer Network Defense (CND), Network Warfare, and Computer Network Attack (CNA). The efforts included weakening US commercial encryption systems.[21]
Special Collection Service (SCS): A black budget program that is responsible for "close surveillance, burglary, wiretapping, breaking and entering." It employs covert listening device technologies to bug foreign embassies, communications centers, computer facilities, fiber-optic networks, and government installations.[22]
Stellar Wind (code name): The open secret code name for four surveillance programs.
Tailored Access Operations: Intelligence-gathering unit of the NSA that is capable of harvesting approximately 2 petabytes of data per hour.[23][24]
Terrorist Finance Tracking Program: A joint initiative run by the CIA and the Department of the Treasury to access the SWIFT (Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication) transaction database as part of the Bush administration's "Global War on Terrorism". According to the U.S. government, its efforts to counter terrorist activities were compromised after the existence of the Terrorist Finance Tracking Program was leaked to the media.[25]
Turbulance (NSA): Turbulence is a United States National Security Agency (NSA) information-technology project started circa 2005. It was developed in small, inexpensive "test" pieces rather than one grand plan like its failed predecessor, the Trailblazer Project. It also includes offensive cyberwarfare capabilities, like injecting malware into remote computers. The U.S. Congress criticized the project in 2007 for having similar bureaucratic problems as the Trailblazer Project.[26]
US Intelligence Community (IC): A cooperative federation of 16 government agencies working together, but also separately, to gather intelligence and conduct espionage.
Utah Data Center: The Intelligence Community's US$1.5 billion data storage center that is designed to store extremely large amounts of data, on the scale of yottabytes.[27][28][29]
X-Keyscore: A system used by the United States National Security Agency for searching and analysing internet data about foreign nationals.
Of course these are only the ones they admit to using.
It should be no surprise that Trump tower was wiretapped. If it was not, that would be surprising. While this is a problem enough, the unauthorized leaking of conversations is a bigger deal.
Educate yourself. Privacy in today's day and age is only an illusion.
It's amazing. The correlation (based on 2 studies) between Trump supporters and those who believe 9-11 was a hoax/inside job (27%).
Just shows how out of touch they are
......and Trump loses again! Both the liberal and conservative wings of the GOP reject the new health care plan. Four repub senators have already publicly rejected it, so that is that.
So much winning. We will be tired of winning, right, trumpers?
Wiretaps are the norm wrote:
The government records every phone conversation you have, every text and email you send and receive. They have huge databases that they mine for information and threats.
Until early January, this information was only available to 3 gov't agencies. NSA, CIA, FBI. In early January, 3 weeks before he left office, Obama expanded that to 16 agencies so it is much harder to find who is actually leaking the conversations that have been illegally obtained.
It is a felony to leak these conversations and a violation of privacy laws to record American citizens conversations without cause. But no one cares about this.
It is simply shocking how naive the majority of Americans are about government interference into their lives.
Carry on sheep.
Does the government monitor for racist posts on running message boards?
Eric a blair wrote:
......and Trump loses again! Both the liberal and conservative wings of the GOP reject the new health care plan. Four repub senators have already publicly rejected it, so that is that.
So much winning. We will be tired of winning, right, trumpers?
Picked up a new mid length gas system AR15 today....
WINNING!😎