The burden of bearing children is real and falls 99% on the woman. Thus they are given more rights over the fetus. As soon as the baby is born, rights are basically 50:50. This is morally and intellectually consistent.
The only way to argue against this is to consistently downplay the burden of pregnancy on women. This makes you looks like an angry incel. I am surprised you are going this route but please, continue.
You monkey, they are currently given all rights over the fetus, not just more rights. The man has no rights yet shares all the costs. This is just the law of the land.
The man shares none of the pregnancy costs (except in Utah, I think). You don't owe a cent until the baby is born -- after which you have 50% of the rights. Seems extremely fair by your logic.
Thank you for, uh, agreeing with me and proving my point?
I’ll be interested to see what happens when a federal abortion law is passed making it universally legal.
I doubt the “democracy” folks in this thread will be ideologically consistent.
What makes you doubt so? Your retarded prejudiced judgmental brain?
Please don’t get frustrated or angry. Just trying to understand. You are far too emotional about this. Feel free to tell us how smart you are again and how you’re proud of having low EQ.
You monkey, they are currently given all rights over the fetus, not just more rights. The man has no rights yet shares all the costs. This is just the law of the land.
The man shares none of the pregnancy costs (except in Utah, I think). You don't owe a cent until the baby is born -- after which you have 50% of the rights. Seems extremely fair by your logic.
Thank you for, uh, agreeing with me and proving my point?
P.S. I am an ape, not a monkey.
I love it with posters accidentally agree with your point and then have to frantically backtrack.
Yes, and man and a women both have the right to the fetus inside them. How very trans-accepting of you!
Nope, a man has rights over what happens to his child same as a mother does. Again, I am a proponent of equal rights. You seem to want to oppress some and elevate others.
When liberals achieve their final goal and biological men begin to bear children, you will be correct. Until then you are wrong and must cope and seethe.
You monkey, they are currently given all rights over the fetus, not just more rights. The man has no rights yet shares all the costs. This is just the law of the land.
The man shares none of the pregnancy costs (except in Utah, I think). You don't owe a cent until the baby is born -- after which you have 50% of the rights. Seems extremely fair by your logic.
Thank you for, uh, agreeing with me and proving my point?
P.S. I am an ape, not a monkey.
Ok ape-brained, thanks for proving my point. The man is burdened with all the costs of raising the child and has no say in its existence or death as a fetus. Nobody cares about the much much smaller pregnancy costs.
The man shares none of the pregnancy costs (except in Utah, I think). You don't owe a cent until the baby is born -- after which you have 50% of the rights. Seems extremely fair by your logic.
Thank you for, uh, agreeing with me and proving my point?
P.S. I am an ape, not a monkey.
Ok ape-brained, thanks for proving my point. The man is burdened with all the costs of raising the child and has no say in its existence or death as a fetus. Nobody cares about the much much smaller pregnancy costs.
Once the baby is born you have full, equal rights!
Men are only burdened with half the costs of raising the child.
If you want more rights over the fetus, I suggest taking on more of the burden and risk. How very trans-accepting of you!
What makes you doubt so? Your retarded prejudiced judgmental brain?
Please don’t get frustrated or angry. Just trying to understand. You are far too emotional about this. Feel free to tell us how smart you are again and how you’re proud of having low EQ.
When proven wrong, it’s fun to watch your response as always resorting to irrelevant statements. Knock yourself out!
Ok ape-brained, thanks for proving my point. The man is burdened with all the costs of raising the child and has no say in its existence or death as a fetus. Nobody cares about the much much smaller pregnancy costs.
Once the baby is born you have full, equal rights!
Men are only burdened with half the costs of raising the child.
If you want more rights over the fetus, I suggest taking on more of the burden and risk. How very trans-accepting of you!
Good, your ape ass finally got it. The man has unequal rights over the fetus despite already being committed with certainty to sharing the cost of raising it.
The man shares none of the pregnancy costs (except in Utah, I think). You don't owe a cent until the baby is born -- after which you have 50% of the rights. Seems extremely fair by your logic.
Thank you for, uh, agreeing with me and proving my point?
P.S. I am an ape, not a monkey.
Ok ape-brained, thanks for proving my point. The man is burdened with all the costs of raising the child and has no say in its existence or death as a fetus. Nobody cares about the much much smaller pregnancy costs.
Once again writing off any burden of pregnancy. You desperately want people to know you’ve never interacted with an adult woman…
You have no clue how the world works. This will be a good learning experience for you. Use it as growth. We want you to learn.
Nope, a man has rights over what happens to his child same as a mother does. Again, I am a proponent of equal rights. You seem to want to oppress some and elevate others.
When liberals achieve their final goal and biological men begin to bear children, you will be correct. Until then you are wrong and must cope and seethe.
Oh I’m coping just fine. Huge victories in the courts on guns, abortion, and prayer.
Ok ape-brained, thanks for proving my point. The man is burdened with all the costs of raising the child and has no say in its existence or death as a fetus. Nobody cares about the much much smaller pregnancy costs.
Once again writing off any burden of pregnancy. You desperately want people to know you’ve never interacted with an adult woman…
You have no clue how the world works. This will be a good learning experience for you. Use it as growth. We want you to learn.
It’s funny that your entire consolation rests on convincing yourself that your opponent is has never interacted with an adult woman. You must know a lot about that.
I cry for the women who will be hurt in the meantime. I think we will legislate mostly legal abortion, but it could take another 20-30 years to get the right candidate and political climate.
Oh, so maybe it’s not that popular or as important as your polls assert after all coz if it were, people would immediately vote for the abortion candidate, so maybe your virtue signaling tears with high value on Facebook and twitter are in vain in the real world.
Nope, and a good tell you're not very observant of politics. Popular opinion does not translate to legislation very quickly at all. Change happens at an incredibly slow rate as a result of the way the system was built to gridlock. Getting anything done is very difficult and both sides fear the backlash of the other if they overreach. We'll need to wait for the next George W -> Obama like swing to pass further healthcare reform that will include some measures for legal and protected abortion. If I were them, I would draw the line at first trimester abortion, as polling shows a ton of promise there, and most abortions are performed in that time frame anyway so I think it would maximize benefit for women's reproductive rights for the longest term possible. I'm interested to see how these plans will develop.
Once again writing off any burden of pregnancy. You desperately want people to know you’ve never interacted with an adult woman…
You have no clue how the world works. This will be a good learning experience for you. Use it as growth. We want you to learn.
It’s funny that your entire consolation rests on convincing yourself that your opponent is has never interacted with an adult woman. You must know a lot about that.
They way you talk about women, children, and pregnancy is extremely juvenile. It’s hard to have an adult conversation with someone who speaks like you do.
Ok ape-brained, thanks for proving my point. The man is burdened with all the costs of raising the child and has no say in its existence or death as a fetus. Nobody cares about the much much smaller pregnancy costs.
Once again writing off any burden of pregnancy. You desperately want people to know you’ve never interacted with an adult woman…
You have no clue how the world works. This will be a good learning experience for you. Use it as growth. We want you to learn.
It’s funny that your entire consolation rests on convincing yourself that your opponent is has never interacted with an adult woman. You must know a lot about that.
Oh, so maybe it’s not that popular or as important as your polls assert after all coz if it were, people would immediately vote for the abortion candidate, so maybe your virtue signaling tears with high value on Facebook and twitter are in vain in the real world.
Nope, and a good tell you're not very observant of politics. Popular opinion does not translate to legislation very quickly at all. Change happens at an incredibly slow rate as a result of the way the system was built to gridlock. Getting anything done is very difficult and both sides fear the backlash of the other if they overreach. We'll need to wait for the next George W -> Obama like swing to pass further healthcare reform that will include some measures for legal and protected abortion. If I were them, I would draw the line at first trimester abortion, as polling shows a ton of promise there, and most abortions are performed in that time frame anyway so I think it would maximize benefit for women's reproductive rights for the longest term possible. I'm interested to see how these plans will develop.
95% of abortions are first trimester. Such a law would be popular, beneficial, and easy to pass. It will happen. The Dems have a new voting bloc to build.
Someone already made the point that people might feel bad and sympathize with rape victims and thus would be more supportive of abortion in that case. You're right, that doesn't logically make sense if you believe that abortion is murder and that's because it's based on emotion and not logic. That also doesn't mean that everybody who's only for abortion in the case of rape/incest just wants to punish women.
So if you can accept that most women who are raped don't want to be pregnant and can sympathize with them getting an abortion, then why can't you accept "don't want to be pregnant" as a valid reason for an any abortion?
Also, what level of scrutiny are you placing on these rape victims? Would they be required to prosecute their rapist, or would you just take their word?
It's all so flawed, just let women who are living their own lives with a myriad of different circumstances govern themselves.
I'm not saying either reason is valid, but at least the rape victim doesn't cause a pregnancy to happen for herself. It's the same reason why I would feel worse for some who got food poisoning from eating a meal at a restaurant that somebody sneezed on vs someone who got sick after deliberately licking 20 door knobs.
I know you're just being obtuse, because this is not that difficult of a concept.
Oh, so maybe it’s not that popular or as important as your polls assert after all coz if it were, people would immediately vote for the abortion candidate, so maybe your virtue signaling tears with high value on Facebook and twitter are in vain in the real world.
Nope, and a good tell you're not very observant of politics. Popular opinion does not translate to legislation very quickly at all. Change happens at an incredibly slow rate as a result of the way the system was built to gridlock. Getting anything done is very difficult and both sides fear the backlash of the other if they overreach. We'll need to wait for the next George W -> Obama like swing to pass further healthcare reform that will include some measures for legal and protected abortion. If I were them, I would draw the line at first trimester abortion, as polling shows a ton of promise there, and most abortions are performed in that time frame anyway so I think it would maximize benefit for women's reproductive rights for the longest term possible. I'm interested to see how these plans will develop.
Sucks for you if true about your position turning into law. I’m comfortable with the democratic system.
Nope, and a good tell you're not very observant of politics. Popular opinion does not translate to legislation very quickly at all. Change happens at an incredibly slow rate as a result of the way the system was built to gridlock. Getting anything done is very difficult and both sides fear the backlash of the other if they overreach. We'll need to wait for the next George W -> Obama like swing to pass further healthcare reform that will include some measures for legal and protected abortion. If I were them, I would draw the line at first trimester abortion, as polling shows a ton of promise there, and most abortions are performed in that time frame anyway so I think it would maximize benefit for women's reproductive rights for the longest term possible. I'm interested to see how these plans will develop.
95% of abortions are first trimester. Such a law would be popular, beneficial, and easy to pass. It will happen. The Dems have a new voting bloc to build.
That wouldn’t work and would still be illegal.
it’s just the reverse of marijuana laws. Feds say it is illegal but the states make it legal on their own.
Abortion would be the same; feds make it legal, states say it isn’t.
Baby killers need an amendment to make it legal and that won’t happen
It’s funny that your entire consolation rests on convincing yourself that your opponent is has never interacted with an adult woman. You must know a lot about that.
They way you talk about women, children, and pregnancy is extremely juvenile. It’s hard to have an adult conversation with someone who speaks like you do.
The way you talk in general, it’s hard to imagine you have an education.
Once again writing off any burden of pregnancy. You desperately want people to know you’ve never interacted with an adult woman…
You have no clue how the world works. This will be a good learning experience for you. Use it as growth. We want you to learn.
It’s funny that your entire consolation rests on convincing yourself that your opponent is has never interacted with an adult woman. You must know a lot about that.
I invalidate your opinions in a similar way to be fair, but I just don't say it out loud. You're really out of touch with women and it skews your thoughts and feelings on women's issues. You write off the worst parts of their experience and think you share an equal burden. You will look like a dummy to every woman alive when you grow up and start talking to them.