That picture of Fenton holding his post race winnings would look great on my dart board. He really is an arrogant tosspot. Signing his life away with sports direct. Wish him the worst
It ain’t that deep though, is it?
Fenton’s not been on Epstein Island, has he. Or has he?!
No, but he has filmed #content at his granddad's funeral. Is nothing sacred anymore?
I haven't listened yet, and I won't subject myself to whole thing, but I see the show notes he says 'I'm around 79 kg and believe 65-66 kg aligns with a 2:12-2:15 goal.' Hasn't he only run under 2:20 once, and it took him many attempts? Add in he is now 39 and coming off basically a year of no running except for a short period that caused a stress fracture. If he ever runs under 2:20 again that would be a hell of an achievement. He must be delusional thinking he can make the stratospheric jump into true sub-elite territory.
Pretty sure Matt Fox did sub 2:20 a few times in close succession. He was aiming to do it once a month I think. He was in shape to run a little under 2:20 several times before it happened but couldn't resolve the cramping issue. His breakthrough seemed to come when he dropped some weight, it looked to me like he was around 2:15 shape and only just ducking under 2:20 as it kept the cramps at bay.
Of course if your body won't let you run 2:15 etc then you aren't really in that shape, I just mean his workouts and other races all indicated that level.
I think the original posters point is that people at Cottage (sub 14 5k, sub 2:15 marathoners) are a lot closer to being professional/full time runners than Bester, Parkes, Goddard et al.
I'm closer to being professional than Goddard
Sometimes I actually feel for him because hes truly bottom of the barrel genetically, then to add to that the fact he got sucked into the 'Runnasphere' so he will just never ever be a good runner.
Found a perfect match for himself though as his girlfriend might be worse than he is comparatively. At least she attempts to play into the 'everyday runner' gimmick (despite the fact that the average 40 year old park-runner would smoke her into oblivion over any distance)
FoggDog and Elson only made teams in relatively low-key indoor/cross country events which the top runners have no interest in. Fogg is the poorest racer in the UK, cant see him making any further teams.
I know the comment is about RTJ but I can't believe no one else says this about Fogg. The bloke is an awful tactician and every race is the exact same. He will always be a 3:49 miler but he's a shocking racer. He's also an awful person from all accounts.
It seems like Fogg's problem is not having the finishing kick to compete at UK Champs etc, so his only option is to go out fairly hard and hope he runs the legs off everyone else. That didn't work for Jakob in Paris Olympic final either.
On the topic of how much brands are shelving out for professional runners - word on the ground in NZ is that the Nike contract Sam Ruthe initially signed was 3 years at 200k base per year. Which one would have to assume is on the higher side due to Nike wanting to make sure they locked down the boy with the potential to be the next big thing.
Gout Gout (Australia - bigger country but close enough economically) is making close to $1 million per year
RTJ on Strava says that he wants to represent GB. And 2:10 is just the first step, what do people think are his chances stacked against Sessmen, Cairess, Mahamed etc. I just don't know if he has the ability to kick on below 2:10 but if anyone can prove me wrong it woud be him.
Hopefully training with a team will be a massive help for him.
Talent is deep in GB at the moment and will be for years to come, man needs to find a northern Irish ancestor to sneak onto an Irish team or somewhere with less depth
FoggDog and Elson only made teams in relatively low-key indoor/cross country events which the top runners have no interest in. Fogg is the poorest racer in the UK, cant see him making any further teams.
RTJ has zero chance of making a world champs team. if you dont run the qualifying time (which is around 2:06 / 2:07) they wont take you. they have no problem not selecting a full team. i feel hes reached his limit with his current build-up. his PBs only 2:14 and hes hasnt improved in a long time. if you can only run 14:40~ for 5km, you will not get near 2:10 no matter how many miles you run. theres to many tin pot races and not enough build-up and taper to target big performances. he can remain a 2:13-2:20 runner turning up and filming low key races but the big performances will evade him until he structures his racing and training more professionally
Agree, I think people are taking his in shape for 2:10 at Valencia at face value when the reality is he has not proven he was “at that level but it was just a bad day”. He has not continued to improve at the level of the likes of schuley despite the mileage and he is stubborn which means he won’t change his training or go back to the drawing board when things aren’t going well and he seems to leave his best performances in training.
I haven't listened yet, and I won't subject myself to whole thing, but I see the show notes he says 'I'm around 79 kg and believe 65-66 kg aligns with a 2:12-2:15 goal.' Hasn't he only run under 2:20 once, and it took him many attempts? Add in he is now 39 and coming off basically a year of no running except for a short period that caused a stress fracture. If he ever runs under 2:20 again that would be a hell of an achievement. He must be delusional thinking he can make the stratospheric jump into true sub-elite territory.
Pretty sure Matt Fox did sub 2:20 a few times in close succession. He was aiming to do it once a month I think. He was in shape to run a little under 2:20 several times before it happened but couldn't resolve the cramping issue. His breakthrough seemed to come when he dropped some weight, it looked to me like he was around 2:15 shape and only just ducking under 2:20 as it kept the cramps at bay.
Of course if your body won't let you run 2:15 etc then you aren't really in that shape, I just mean his workouts and other races all indicated that level.
The Ben Parker School of woke nonsense pbs. Don't have to run times, just 'identify' as a 2:34 or 2:15 runna or whatever you want with however little evidence you care to use to back up your claims
I'm an RTJ fan but I think he is limited by his body composition. He will never be as light and slender as Shuley. This makes it harder for him to break 2:10.
FoggDog and Elson only made teams in relatively low-key indoor/cross country events which the top runners have no interest in. Fogg is the poorest racer in the UK, cant see him making any further teams.
RTJ has zero chance of making a world champs team. if you dont run the qualifying time (which is around 2:06 / 2:07) they wont take you. they have no problem not selecting a full team. i feel hes reached his limit with his current build-up. his PBs only 2:14 and hes hasnt improved in a long time. if you can only run 14:40~ for 5km, you will not get near 2:10 no matter how many miles you run. theres to many tin pot races and not enough build-up and taper to target big performances. he can remain a 2:13-2:20 runner turning up and filming low key races but the big performances will evade him until he structures his racing and training more professionally
Agree, I think people are taking his in shape for 2:10 at Valencia at face value when the reality is he has not proven he was “at that level but it was just a bad day”. He has not continued to improve at the level of the likes of schuley despite the mileage and he is stubborn which means he won’t change his training or go back to the drawing board when things aren’t going well and he seems to leave his best performances in training.
Leaving their best performance in training is the life of a YouTuber. Most of them are running too hard too often and their marathon times don't align with their shorter distance stuff because they don't understand running.
Pretty sure Matt Fox did sub 2:20 a few times in close succession. He was aiming to do it once a month I think. He was in shape to run a little under 2:20 several times before it happened but couldn't resolve the cramping issue. His breakthrough seemed to come when he dropped some weight, it looked to me like he was around 2:15 shape and only just ducking under 2:20 as it kept the cramps at bay.
Of course if your body won't let you run 2:15 etc then you aren't really in that shape, I just mean his workouts and other races all indicated that level.
He was in the shape he ran. Cramps were blow up he just wouldn't admit it. Ego getting in the way.
His half pb is high 1"06 I think. Nowhere near the 1"04 needed to equate to 2"15. His other PBS same .
I know the comment is about RTJ but I can't believe no one else says this about Fogg. The bloke is an awful tactician and every race is the exact same. He will always be a 3:49 miler but he's a shocking racer. He's also an awful person from all accounts.
It seems like Fogg's problem is not having the finishing kick to compete at UK Champs etc, so his only option is to go out fairly hard and hope he runs the legs off everyone else. That didn't work for Jakob in Paris Olympic final either.
And as predicted, in his latest Instagram post, Foggdog realises he has no future whatsoever in the metric mile and is in marathon training. Whatever happened to the 5000m and 10000m? Can't wait for the You tube video.
Sometimes I actually feel for him because hes truly bottom of the barrel genetically, then to add to that the fact he got sucked into the 'Runnasphere' so he will just never ever be a good runner.
Found a perfect match for himself though as his girlfriend might be worse than he is comparatively. At least she attempts to play into the 'everyday runner' gimmick (despite the fact that the average 40 year old park-runner would smoke her into oblivion over any distance)
His latest YT video is so funny in a sad way; he says how seriously he’s taking training now that every run is over 10k (at 5:50 per km), and running mile reps at 3:55 per km. I just don’t see how he can really believe he’ll get close to sub 3 when he hasn’t run even 70k a week yet.
This was his NIL deal from a few months ago right? Or has he signed a Pro deal?
He mentioned on 'The Running Effect' podcast Nike have offered him a pro deal (this was after he signed the NIL deal but before the recent indoor campaign in the US.
On the topic of how much brands are shelving out for professional runners - word on the ground in NZ is that the Nike contract Sam Ruthe initially signed was 3 years at 200k base per year. Which one would have to assume is on the higher side due to Nike wanting to make sure they locked down the boy with the potential to be the next big thing.
Gout Gout (Australia - bigger country but close enough economically) is making close to $1 million per year
This was his NIL deal from a few months ago right? Or has he signed a Pro deal? He mentioned on 'The Running Effect' podcast Nike have offered him a pro deal (this was after he signed the NIL deal but before the recent indoor campaign in the US.
Agree, I think people are taking his in shape for 2:10 at Valencia at face value when the reality is he has not proven he was “at that level but it was just a bad day”. He has not continued to improve at the level of the likes of schuley despite the mileage and he is stubborn which means he won’t change his training or go back to the drawing board when things aren’t going well and he seems to leave his best performances in training.
Leaving their best performance in training is the life of a YouTuber. Most of them are running too hard too often and their marathon times don't align with their shorter distance stuff because they don't understand running.
That's most of humanity. Not remotely enough mileage to handle a marathon. RTJ is opposite in that he hasn't shown anything to suggest that he can run like a 28:30 that makes 2:10 realistic. He got the easy gains from volume but the last year has shown that he isnt progressing on that. Maybe it is just a plateau before the next step but he might also be pretty maxed after the volume and weight loss gains...
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