Just placing for record-keeping: "I run five days a week, integrating cross-training, and I usually cover around 15 to 16 miles per run. This weekly mileage—around 75 miles—fits with my schedule, which includes balancing work and family, and I don't have the capacity to do double runs.
David Roche is a running coach (trail, track and road) and trail runner. He recently broke the longstanding Leadville 100 course record (in his first 100-mile race no less), a record previously thought unbreakable. In this ep...
He also platforms himself as an ex-college football player, which seems to be a stretch. Perhaps he was just a towel boy.
This one right here. He recently posted a picture of himself from his football days. I genuinely couldn’t see the difference in David then vs now.
This is one of the dumber posts on here. But it perfectly encapsulates this whole thread. Meaning, wait for it, that almost every accusation has been wildly overstated, mostly based on things he either didn't actually say. You guys taking notes from Elon or what?
Again, I've tried at times to be a voice of reason on here: hugely skeptical of Roche's track and road upside but pointing out, for example, that he never said he could run a sub-4 mile. And that he posted treadmill splits but acknowledged that they may not be accurate.
Anyway, back to this ridiculous post: if you can't see the difference between him then and now then you have an eye problem. But we all know that's not the real problem: you have a bias problem, and by the way apparently have so little self-regard that you are basically the loser kid who is hoping to be accepted by the crowd. Get a life.
Maybe he was the "waterboy" for Columbia football's team?
Anyway, it appears he never saw any action on the field. Case closed.
As far as his other "accusations" go we know from Youtube video evidence that he will directly contradict himself and make fairly wild claims.
Former SWAP members have testified about his deleting of training logs and seeming lack of regard for their health and safety. He wants to scientifically analyze other people's blood test results even though he's apparently more of a "writer" and former lawyer.
He focuses extensively on treadmill paces and splits in filmed workouts and states that he could "definitely hit them outside at sea level on a track."
Now we also find out that his relatively "low mileage" claims might not add up because he actually hides workouts and/or doesn't post all his running on Strava.
This whole thread actually covers a massive pattern and timeline of David Roche being very deceptive imo.
This one right here. He recently posted a picture of himself from his football days. I genuinely couldn’t see the difference in David then vs now.
This is one of the dumber posts on here. But it perfectly encapsulates this whole thread. Meaning, wait for it, that almost every accusation has been wildly overstated, mostly based on things he either didn't actually say. You guys taking notes from Elon or what?
Again, I've tried at times to be a voice of reason on here: hugely skeptical of Roche's track and road upside but pointing out, for example, that he never said he could run a sub-4 mile. And that he posted treadmill splits but acknowledged that they may not be accurate.
Anyway, back to this ridiculous post: if you can't see the difference between him then and now then you have an eye problem. But we all know that's not the real problem: you have a bias problem, and by the way apparently have so little self-regard that you are basically the loser kid who is hoping to be accepted by the crowd. Get a life.
He looks like a sad loner that drank a lot of protein shakes and wanted to be strong. Now he’s a YouTuber narcissist who drinks a lot of protein shakes and wants to be fast. I see the difference!
Prior to his ultra season, I think it'd be great if Roche ran an all out one mile time trial on a track or flat straight road, preferably at a lower elevation or at sea level. With pacers or whatever.
It's my understanding that the goal of this Youtube series to provide runners with actionable ultra running training information. Perhaps his mile time could be a very useful datapoint/metric if he does well in his goal ultra race.
The piling on here is getting ridiculous. I was an avid listener, but stopped listening because of some of the issues mentioned here and the fact that it just got repetitive and tiring. Not the biggest fan of Roche, but the longer this goes on, the less it says about Roche and the more it says about those piling on.
The piling on here is getting ridiculous. I was an avid listener, but stopped listening because of some of the issues mentioned here and the fact that it just got repetitive and tiring. Not the biggest fan of Roche, but the longer this goes on, the less it says about Roche and the more it says about those piling on.
the problem is that David continues to publicly lies and falsehoods. If he stopped doing that we wouldn't have anything to respond to anymore. But because he does, we do
The piling on here is getting ridiculous. I was an avid listener, but stopped listening because of some of the issues mentioned here and the fact that it just got repetitive and tiring. Not the biggest fan of Roche, but the longer this goes on, the less it says about Roche and the more it says about those piling on.
Getting ridiculous? It got ridiculous about 48 pages ago.
10-12 pages back I was making the case for reason, which is a fool's errand on here but whatever. To wit: no, he can't run sub-4 or sub-28 but turns out he never said he could (the sub-4 thing was aspirational); some former athletes were unhappy with lack of individualized coaching but, while that sucks, hardly unusual in the online coaching world and not exactly worthy of a lynching; no, he couldn't run 6 x mile at avg 4:28-ish but he acknowledged the treadmill may not be accurate. You get the idea.
This football one is particularly dumb because, to my knowledge (I've listened to maybe 6-7 podcasts), he has never made any claims about his football background other than that he played football. Per the IG post, he said he quit quickly in college. For some reason the angry, irrational mob is now inventing new things to then attack him for it.
As I've said, you idiots needs to get a life.
As for the guy who said the podcast is getting repetitive, I can see that. I think the training stuff is interesting, meaning high-carb fueling, bicarb, ketones, etc, but at some point there isn't much more to say. For better or for worse, and I say this as someone who isn't a huge fan of ultra-running, it looks Roche is now a legitimate contender for Western States so if that's interesting for people to follow than I could see staying with the podcast. Not sure how interesting it is otherwise.
David and Megan Roche are horrible people who don't care how many lies they tell about the covid jabs, gender science, running, or themselves.
David is also plain stupid. He claims among many other childish things that three hour marathoners can do ten mile AT runs at six minute pace. That means he thinks the best in the world can do these runs at four minute pace.
Their clients are also stupid, so they don't care about this or any of your pesky, if uncontestable, math. They are a pack of trust fund dupes with a high incidence of coach supported bulimia, PEDs use, and political confusion.
They want to know how many like counting means more than feeling (oh David I wish you could see how little it matters) like there's a spreadsheet column for love Meanwhile in Colorado a runner who can't afford coaching is hitting splits in the dark drinking a cold Coke after because that's what champions do in secret and somewhere in Brooklyn another is learning to trust their legs again and tonight your light shines at 3 AM as it always does answering emails because this is what it all adds up to— not a number but a steady glow saying come in come in there's room here there's always room here
It's my understanding that the goal of this Youtube series to provide runners with actionable ultra running training information.
I suspect the goal of the YouTube series is to land a sponsor going into WSER.
Rather methinks the goal of the YouTube series is actually to Feed his ego and gain more power but also provide marketing for his current sponsor The FEED. The Roches of the world don't need any shoe or clothing sponsorship. Why would they? Money doesn't seem to be a problem for them. They summer in A$pen! If anything the freedom to bounce around between the latest and greatest Adidas or Nike supershoe is more power for them. Finally he can wear his SWAP dinosaur logo and make more money from his mass coaching cult scheme.
And yet you continue posting as ubiquitously as the rest of us. Classic pot calling the kettle black.
what a burn! I'm in awe at your superior intellect and rapier wit.
Yeah, I check back in every week or two for laughs. My point -- which you may not be smart to enough to appreciate -- related to ridiculous and patently false claims being made by you and your MENSA ilk. Not the quantity of posts per se. It was amusing to see this new "he lied about football!" angle. That was novel and unexpected. That was reminiscent of "he was disbarred!" so maybe that was the inspiration. Let me guess: you must be spitballing "his shoes were illegal!" or "he is using PEDs!" [hmm, that was done] or "he's a foreign agent!" or "he's a serial killer!". Think big, Sparky, the possibilities are endless.
And yet you continue posting as ubiquitously as the rest of us. Classic pot calling the kettle black.
what a burn! I'm in awe at your superior intellect and rapier wit.
Yeah, I check back in every week or two for laughs. My point -- which you may not be smart to enough to appreciate -- related to ridiculous and patently false claims being made by you and your MENSA ilk. Not the quantity of posts per se. It was amusing to see this new "he lied about football!" angle. That was novel and unexpected. That was reminiscent of "he was disbarred!" so maybe that was the inspiration. Let me guess: you must be spitballing "his shoes were illegal!" or "he is using PEDs!" [hmm, that was done] or "he's a foreign agent!" or "he's a serial killer!". Think big, Sparky, the possibilities are endless.
what a burn! I'm in awe at your superior intellect and rapier wit.
Yeah, I check back in every week or two for laughs. My point -- which you may not be smart to enough to appreciate -- related to ridiculous and patently false claims being made by you and your MENSA ilk. Not the quantity of posts per se. It was amusing to see this new "he lied about football!" angle. That was novel and unexpected. That was reminiscent of "he was disbarred!" so maybe that was the inspiration. Let me guess: you must be spitballing "his shoes were illegal!" or "he is using PEDs!" [hmm, that was done] or "he's a foreign agent!" or "he's a serial killer!". Think big, Sparky, the possibilities are endless.
how many times have you posted today?
He’s obsessed. He’s a failed lawyer who spends all his time here obsessing.
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