Roe v Wade just got overturned official thread

Harambe wrote:

bluh wrote:

Neither here nor there blather. Go live in an undemocratic state then.

Claiming that election results are good readouts of popular opinion on single issues is stupid. Abortion is not #1 in most people's minds -- nothing wrong with that... life is complicated.

Saying that election results properly mirror public sentiment on [relatively minor issue X] is just bad quantitative reasoning.

science is prevailing wrote:

kganrvownlibs wrote:

Terminating a pregnancy when the fetus is 2 lbs is extremely rare - and only legal in a handful of states or for the life of the mother.

If you are going to accuse people of focusing on hyperbolic examples you should not use them to make your points either.

Two plus pounds is in the 4 to 6 month range. Are you stating abortions after 4 months don't occur? Four to six months because we do not if the little person will be 5'0" or 7'0" as an adult.

Democrats, when you get together in private sure must be mad at each other. Democrats brought this on Democrats. When Democrats had the votes in Congress to make federal abortion laws, Democrats chose not to.

bluh wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Let's see

1) Risk of injury or death beyond simple 'pain'

2) Severely limited mobility and energy during pregnancy

3) Discrimination in the workplace due to pregnant status

4) Delay/derailment of career from pregnancy and infant care

5) Permanent changes to body after pregnancy

More responsibility and risk = more rights. It's very simple.

Appeals to nature and history don't work.

E.g. You have been unable to get a date with a woman for years. Does that mean that you should accept that as an altogether normal and healthy part of your life? No! We all want to see positive change.

Blather blather and more blather. They’re all normal because most women have children and may with some small probability go through all of that for reasons unrelated to abortion law.

Now go jump.

Yawn^23 wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Let's see

1) Risk of injury or death beyond simple 'pain'

2) Severely limited mobility and energy during pregnancy

3) Discrimination in the workplace due to pregnant status

4) Delay/derailment of career from pregnancy and infant care

5) Permanent changes to body after pregnancy

More responsibility and risk = more rights. It's very simple.

Appeals to nature and history don't work.

E.g. You have been unable to get a date with a woman for years. Does that mean that you should accept that as an altogether normal and healthy part of your life? No! We all want to see positive change.

The thing about rights is they are supposed to be equal.

Harambe wrote:

bluh wrote:

Blather blather and more blather. They’re all normal because most women have children and may with some small probability go through all of that for reasons unrelated to abortion law.

Now go jump.

The burden of bearing children is real and falls 99% on the woman. Thus they are given more rights over the fetus. As soon as the baby is born, rights are basically 50:50. This is morally and intellectually consistent.

The only way to argue against this is to consistently downplay the burden of pregnancy on women. This makes you looks like an angry incel. I am surprised you are going this route but please, continue.

Yawn^23 wrote:

The thing about rights is they are supposed to be equal.

Harambe wrote:

bluh wrote:

Small parts of the electorate handed your ass to you back in 2016. And it doesn’t change the fact that that is a morally and intellectually consistent position irrespective of whether one agrees with it. Women don’t have a problem saying yes to this straightforward statement.

The 2016 election had nothing to do with 'a small part of the electorate.' It was a relatively diverse array of swing voters who won it for Trump. Good point that the electoral college does allow outsize effects from a small number of voters... not very democratic. Likewise, a small number of Democratic operatives were able to win the election for Biden by stuffing ballot boxes. Never underestimate the power of the few!

Your position is consistently morally and intellectually reprehensible. I'll give credit where it's due, my man, at least it's almost coherent.

kganrvownlibs wrote:

Yawn^23 wrote:

The thing about rights is they are supposed to be equal.

This is inane even for you. Do I have equal right to your body as I do mine?

Please refrain from these trolling- style posts. They contribute nothing and make you look childish and stupid.

Harambe wrote:

Yawn^23 wrote:

The thing about rights is they are supposed to be equal.

Posting from your alt?

Rights are equal to responsibility. Not everyone has a right to a military pension.

Yawn^23 wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Posting from your alt?

Rights are equal to responsibility. Not everyone has a right to a military pension.

Hahahaha a pension isn’t a right. You don’t even know what you are saying anymore.

Each person should have the same amount of rights. It’s very simple.

Yawn^23 wrote:

kganrvownlibs wrote:

This is inane even for you. Do I have equal right to your body as I do mine?

Please refrain from these trolling- style posts. They contribute nothing and make you look childish and stupid.

…English must be your second language.

Person A should have the same rights as person B. Harambe suggests that people should have different amounts of rights. Apparently you agree with him and belong in the 19th century south.

Yawn^23 wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Posting from your alt?

Rights are equal to responsibility. Not everyone has a right to a military pension.

Hahahaha a pension isn’t a right. You don’t even know what you are saying anymore.

Each person should have the same amount of rights. It’s very simple.

Harambe wrote:

bluh wrote:

Blather blather and more blather. They’re all normal because most women have children and may with some small probability go through all of that for reasons unrelated to abortion law.

Now go jump.

The burden of bearing children is real and falls 99% on the woman. Thus they are given more rights over the fetus. As soon as the baby is born, rights are basically 50:50. This is morally and intellectually consistent.

The only way to argue against this is to consistently downplay the burden of pregnancy on women. This makes you looks like an angry incel. I am surprised you are going this route but please, continue.

kganrvownlibs wrote:

Yawn^23 wrote:

…English must be your second language.

Person A should have the same rights as person B. Harambe suggests that people should have different amounts of rights. Apparently you agree with him and belong in the 19th century south.

This is a very poor troll job.
Stay on topic. These childish posts don’t do anything for either side.
On no planet does any believe that equals rights means person A has rights over person B’s autonomy.

kganrvownlibs wrote:

I’ll be interested to see what happens when a federal abortion law is passed making it universally legal.

I doubt the “democracy” folks in this thread will be ideologically consistent.

Harambe wrote:

Yawn^23 wrote:

Hahahaha a pension isn’t a right. You don’t even know what you are saying anymore.

Each person should have the same amount of rights. It’s very simple.

Yes, and man and a women both have the right to the fetus inside them. How very trans-accepting of you!