The group is running poorly and Tom will never have another pro group. He had a couple high schoolers run fast but by his own admission he coaches the fastest runners for free. Meahwhile his name has been stolen by the group and is used against his will. Tom is doomed to be an internet coach for the rest of his life.
The group is running poorly and Tom will never have another pro group. He had a couple high schoolers run fast but by his own admission he coaches the fastest runners for free. Meahwhile his name has been stolen by the group and is used against his will. Tom is doomed to be an internet coach for the rest of his life.
They will always have dope t shirts and Tinman will always be the “inventor” of critical velocity. They’ve all won for life!
The group is running poorly and Tom will never have another pro group. He had a couple high schoolers run fast but by his own admission he coaches the fastest runners for free. Meahwhile his name has been stolen by the group and is used against his will. Tom is doomed to be an internet coach for the rest of his life.
Which is a fine way to make a living with his skill set.
He doesn't have to stand out in the cold, wind, rain, snow holding a stopwatch, he doesn't have to talk to a classroom of adolescents daily and deal with discipline issues, he doesn't have to deal with parents unless he really wants to.
His athletes come to him with good levels of motivation already, he doesn't have to pep talk or deal with grumpy attitudes or excuses much at all.
He sets his own hours and doesn't have to commute anywhere. He still has a great reputation and people will pay him to travel to present at coaching clinics.
He wanted to coach Drew Hunter, I'm not so sure he was really wanting to coach TME except he had to in order to keep coaching Drew. Looks like nobody else did, either, since they wound up with Drew's mom as coach. Coaching a pro group isn't that appealing, certainly not one that lacks a major sponsor that pays salaries.
The group is running poorly and Tom will never have another pro group. He had a couple high schoolers run fast but by his own admission he coaches the fastest runners for free. Meahwhile his name has been stolen by the group and is used against his will. Tom is doomed to be an internet coach for the rest of his life.
Which is a fine way to make a living with his skill set.
He doesn't have to stand out in the cold, wind, rain, snow holding a stopwatch, he doesn't have to talk to a classroom of adolescents daily and deal with discipline issues, he doesn't have to deal with parents unless he really wants to.
His athletes come to him with good levels of motivation already, he doesn't have to pep talk or deal with grumpy attitudes or excuses much at all.
He sets his own hours and doesn't have to commute anywhere. He still has a great reputation and people will pay him to travel to present at coaching clinics.
He wanted to coach Drew Hunter, I'm not so sure he was really wanting to coach TME except he had to in order to keep coaching Drew. Looks like nobody else did, either, since they wound up with Drew's mom as coach. Coaching a pro group isn't that appealing, certainly not one that lacks a major sponsor that pays salaries.
But he clearly wanted to be more than just an internet coach. He was a pro coach, now just just being an internet coach to high schoolers is a big fall from grace. He didn't land on his feet, he's back to doing the same thing he did before he even met Drew Hunter.
Brosnan is now at UCLA and Tom is sitting at home with his Ph.D sending email training plans to middle schoolers he's never met before. He probably has way more clients slower than 4:40 than he has running faster than 4:20.
I don't know, I've never seen any quotes from him about it and I don't live in his head. You clearly think the status of being known as a "pro coach" is something he cares significantly about. Schwartz used to talk about trying for college coaching jobs and getting nowhere. I doubt he's hung onto that desire a decade or more later, but again he hasn't said anything either way. He apparently didn't want to go the high school coaching route. I don't see anything useful in conflating Brosnan's aspirations and path with Schwartz's. I have no dog in this fight, I've never been coached by Schwartz and don't know him except by reputation. Maybe all you claim is true, but I see no reason to assume either way. We do know that TME hasn't collectively taken off in terms of performance since the split, indicating the issues holding them back lie within them, collectively or individually.
We do know that TME hasn't collectively taken off in terms of performance since the split, indicating the issues holding them back lie within them, collectively or individually.
Sam made a world final last summer, reed has finished 16th at Boston, 9th in Chicago and 10th at new york, drew has been up and down.
other than those three I don’t think I would have expected much from anyone on that team.
Tinman just another Internet coach that doesn't have the skills to actually coach athletes that he has to meet everyday. On top of that, he's too in love with his own stuff and ultimately his stuff is a running program with moderate intensity and moderate volume that has no way of being successful at elite level.
We do know that TME hasn't collectively taken off in terms of performance since the split, indicating the issues holding them back lie within them, collectively or individually.
Sam made a world final last summer, reed has finished 16th at Boston, 9th in Chicago and 10th at new york, drew has been up and down.
other than those three I don’t think I would have expected much from anyone on that team.
Yep, same level they hit in 2019, except Hunter placed better at USAs and made the Doha WC team even though he couldn't compete there due to injury.
The group is running poorly and Tom will never have another pro group. He had a couple high schoolers run fast but by his own admission he coaches the fastest runners for free. Meahwhile his name has been stolen by the group and is used against his will. Tom is doomed to be an internet coach for the rest of his life.
Tinman Elite is running very well right now under coach hunter. Look at reed and his new york marathon
The group is running poorly and Tom will never have another pro group. He had a couple high schoolers run fast but by his own admission he coaches the fastest runners for free. Meahwhile his name has been stolen by the group and is used against his will. Tom is doomed to be an internet coach for the rest of his life.
Which is a fine way to make a living with his skill set.
He doesn't have to stand out in the cold, wind, rain, snow holding a stopwatch, he doesn't have to talk to a classroom of adolescents daily and deal with discipline issues, he doesn't have to deal with parents unless he really wants to.
His athletes come to him with good levels of motivation already, he doesn't have to pep talk or deal with grumpy attitudes or excuses much at all.
He sets his own hours and doesn't have to commute anywhere. He still has a great reputation and people will pay him to travel to present at coaching clinics.
He wanted to coach Drew Hunter, I'm not so sure he was really wanting to coach TME except he had to in order to keep coaching Drew. Looks like nobody else did, either, since they wound up with Drew's mom as coach. Coaching a pro group isn't that appealing, certainly not one that lacks a major sponsor that pays salaries.
In a recent Tinman Elite video or podcast, Drew confirms that it was the entire team that wanted Joan Hunter. Come on man, stick with the facts.
Which is a fine way to make a living with his skill set.
He doesn't have to stand out in the cold, wind, rain, snow holding a stopwatch, he doesn't have to talk to a classroom of adolescents daily and deal with discipline issues, he doesn't have to deal with parents unless he really wants to.
His athletes come to him with good levels of motivation already, he doesn't have to pep talk or deal with grumpy attitudes or excuses much at all.
He sets his own hours and doesn't have to commute anywhere. He still has a great reputation and people will pay him to travel to present at coaching clinics.
He wanted to coach Drew Hunter, I'm not so sure he was really wanting to coach TME except he had to in order to keep coaching Drew. Looks like nobody else did, either, since they wound up with Drew's mom as coach. Coaching a pro group isn't that appealing, certainly not one that lacks a major sponsor that pays salaries.
In a recent Tinman Elite video or podcast, Drew confirms that it was the entire team that wanted Joan Hunter. Come on man, stick with the facts.
So, the entire team didn't confirm, one of the people who fomented and led change declares it. Looks like a claim, but you feel it's the truth because one guy says so. At least one guy on the team left after the change and has publicly talked about why. It was certainly not a voluntarily united front against Tom.
Which is a fine way to make a living with his skill set.
He doesn't have to stand out in the cold, wind, rain, snow holding a stopwatch, he doesn't have to talk to a classroom of adolescents daily and deal with discipline issues, he doesn't have to deal with parents unless he really wants to.
His athletes come to him with good levels of motivation already, he doesn't have to pep talk or deal with grumpy attitudes or excuses much at all.
He sets his own hours and doesn't have to commute anywhere. He still has a great reputation and people will pay him to travel to present at coaching clinics.
He wanted to coach Drew Hunter, I'm not so sure he was really wanting to coach TME except he had to in order to keep coaching Drew. Looks like nobody else did, either, since they wound up with Drew's mom as coach. Coaching a pro group isn't that appealing, certainly not one that lacks a major sponsor that pays salaries.
In a recent Tinman Elite video or podcast, Drew confirms that it was the entire team that wanted Joan Hunter. Come on man, stick with the facts.
Tom ‘TinMan’ continues to do a fantastic job; he held Joan’s hand, while she took credit for the success of the high school program; he’s turned out many state champs; 2-3 HS sub-4 milers, countless sub-9 minute 2mi HS performances. Time will tell whether this group with a stolen moniker/ identity will really move significantly beyond the levels that they arrived at with Tom’s guidance.
Honestly, Drew’s best move if in fact he’s TRULY ALL IN would to leave Tinman fully, get Mike Smith to coach him and find a rental in Flag. The combination of factors he has at present aren’t going to elevate him further.
Tom ‘TinMan’ continues to do a fantastic job; he held Joan’s hand, while she took credit for the success of the high school program; he’s turned out many state champs; 2-3 HS sub-4 milers, countless sub-9 minute 2mi HS performances. Time will tell whether this group with a stolen moniker/ identity will really move significantly beyond the levels that they arrived at with Tom’s guidance.
It is possible for someone to be an elite HS coach but not a good college or procoach. Maybe he just hasn't had elite talent yet. But it is also possible that the program isn't good at getting those last 10s of performance.
Honestly, Drew’s best move if in fact he’s TRULY ALL IN would to leave Tinman fully, get Mike Smith to coach him and find a rental in Flag. The combination of factors he has at present aren’t going to elevate him further.
As if Smith needs to take on damaged goods. The guy has enough on his plate already.
Tinman just another Internet coach that doesn't have the skills to actually coach athletes that he has to meet everyday. On top of that, he's too in love with his own stuff and ultimately his stuff is a running program with moderate intensity and moderate volume that has no way of being successful at elite level.