Of course, they're are going to say that. I wonder how much of the economic support Zelensky is getting for his "government" that's he's pocketed for himself. Lol.
Once again, this is American tax payer's dough that could be spent on domestic needs instead of this stupid war over there. Let Ukraine fvcking defend themselves - fight your own damn battles. THEY'RE NOT EVEN A MEMBER OF NATO!
I don't why you war hawks don't understand any of this. Maybe you are living with your parents & don't pay any income taxes - who knows. Lol
Start looking into the backgrounds of the human scum (Nuland and husband Kagan, and his brother) in this article, and you realize these people have long had ulterior motives, and we’ve once again been duped by our government. Anytime the propaganda arms (MSM) have to continuously state “…unprovoked war”, you know the truth is actually “provoked [by us].”
Unfortunately this time, it’s the people of Ukraine who have to physically suffer. Ukraine has been destroyed. A majority of the population do not even have power. Tens of thousands of their troops have been killed (the ones that didn’t first surrender/run away, as many did early on).
All so the U.S. Military Industrial Complex can expand its reach. This is the culmination of years of U.S. politicians (and their children) and lobbyists “doing work” in Ukraine. And then we still had to send $90B!! LOL
Whatever happened to the Nord Stream pipeline eh? Remember when bloody Putin blew up his own extremely profitable pipeline? Well, in an extraordinary coincid...
Start looking into the backgrounds of the human scum (Nuland and husband Kagan, and his brother) in this article, and you realize these people have long had ulterior motives, and we’ve once again been duped by our government. Anytime the propaganda arms (MSM) have to continuously state “…unprovoked war”, you know the truth is actually “provoked [by us].”
Unfortunately this time, it’s the people of Ukraine who have to physically suffer. Ukraine has been destroyed. A majority of the population do not even have power. Tens of thousands of their troops have been killed (the ones that didn’t first surrender/run away, as many did early on).
All so the U.S. Military Industrial Complex can expand its reach. This is the culmination of years of U.S. politicians (and their children) and lobbyists “doing work” in Ukraine. And then we still had to send $90B!! LOL
Because I always got my news from bad comedians. Russell Brand couldn’t find Russia on a map. I’m sure Russell Brand would take comedy tips from Antony Blinken (maybe then he would actually be funny).
Poor little Lolly… “but, but, but, what about…!” Speaking of countries that have gained unfathomable amounts of blood drenched money, Switzerland is at the top of the list.
How much land has NATO annexed in the last 20 years? So, you can get off your insignificant little Swiss pony.
One or more military bases and/or prisons in every NATO destroyed country. Against the countries will, of course.
Btw, I am not saying Switzerland is not guilty of washing that blood drenched money. Yet the blood drenching is done by NATO and more specifically by the US.
Why not just be honest and say how it is: "We want to destroy Russia and be the lone empire of the world"? Because this "caring" about Ukrainians is purely hypocritical, as you did not care about Afghani, Iraqi, Irani, Syrians, Lybians and many more.
So, not (attempting to) annex 15% of the country.
Nobody in the US has thought about Russia for the last 30 years. They’re an inconsequential has-been. This isn’t about destroying Russia. Ukraine asked for help. We provided it. It’s called empathy, something you clearly lack.
Poor little Lolly… “but, but, but, what about…!” Speaking of countries that have gained unfathomable amounts of blood drenched money, Switzerland is at the top of the list.
How much land has NATO annexed in the last 20 years? So, you can get off your insignificant little Swiss pony.
One or more military bases and/or prisons in every NATO destroyed country. Against the countries will, of course.
Btw, I am not saying Switzerland is not guilty of washing that blood drenched money. Yet the blood drenching is done by NATO and more specifically by the US.
Why not just be honest and say how it is: "We want to destroy Russia and be the lone empire of the world"? Because this "caring" about Ukrainians is purely hypocritical, as you did not care about Afghani, Iraqi, Irani, Syrians, Lybians and many more.
It's not really a "hot take" that nations act in their own self-interest and that coalitions of nations act in their mutual interest. That said, it's not self evident that the world would be a better place for most of the world's people in the absence of western hegemony.
I don't agree that "we" wanted to "destroy Russia and be the lone empire of the world" as long as Russia played nice with the western world. That was the impetus for German policy for the last few decades, that is economic co-dependence as a perceived antidote for conflict. As an economic power, Russia's potential has largely been squandered under Putin's kleptocratic reign, and that has a much more to do with the current situation than does western imperialism.
RU thinks that wars are won not by discipline, tactics, strategy and execution. RU thinks that wars are won by a willingness to make extreme sacrifices to such a degree that RU simply outlasts their opponents.
This is how Russia won WWII.
The USSR won with MASSIVE material input from the West. Who is getting that western support in 2022? They are the guys that will win this time.
It's not really a "hot take" that nations act in their own self-interest and that coalitions of nations act in their mutual interest. That said, it's not self evident that the world would be a better place for most of the world's people in the absence of western hegemony.
I don't agree that "we" wanted to "destroy Russia and be the lone empire of the world" as long as Russia played nice with the western world. That was the impetus for German policy for the last few decades, that is economic co-dependence as a perceived antidote for conflict. As an economic power, Russia's potential has largely been squandered under Putin's kleptocratic reign, and that has a much more to do with the current situation than does western imperialism.
Not a "hot take", yet most people here have no idea it is the undeniable reality. The US is not sending weapons to help Ukrainians, they're sending weapons to help the rich and powerful of the US. And since US taxpayers have to pay the bill, an agenda is created to justify such spending.
It also clear that Russian government is corrupt to the bone, which is also proven by the performance of the Russian army in Ukraine. As longs as stolen billions will be spent abroad, Russia will never thrive as a country.
Odd world we live in. The EU has to sanction Russian oligarchs, who provide a big portion of GDP of many European countries with the stolen Russian taxpayers money. The EU also has to buy Russian gas and oil for double and tripple the price from reseller countries. At the same time the US is knowingly trying to consume Russia AND the EU. Meanwhile China and Saudi are trying to screw the US with Petroyuan.
Play with blood and mud and don't be surprised when it splashes right back in your face, comrade.
It is one thing to be a Russian citizen without access to opposing viewpoints and drenched a flood of Putin's fascist propaganda to take your pro-genocide position, but those of you who seek out this garbage narrative when the actual facts are clear to any rational person in the West...it is you who are the lowest of the low. Parasites in the countries that have given you freedom, liberty and access to all viewpoints...and you choose such garbage.
Western values are hypocritical garbage.
Sounds like Marxist/Antifa/BLM brainwashing at work here. The ultimate failed parasitic ideology.
Not a "hot take", yet most people here have no idea it is the undeniable reality. The US is not sending weapons to help Ukrainians, they're sending weapons to help the rich and powerful of the US.
Umm, you can't say something is an "undeniable reality" if "most people" don't see it that way.
Sounds like Marxist/Antifa/BLM brainwashing at work here. The ultimate failed parasitic ideology.
Let me explain. Western values are indeed hyprocitical garbage. Since I am one of those people, who made good money by systematically privatizing profits and socializing losses, you can believe me, when I say, it's all a scam :)
Whenever the idea of indefinite growth fails de facto, rich save it via socialism. So you can pretend not to see it all you want, yet it's exactly what's happening.
Sounds like Marxist/Antifa/BLM brainwashing at work here. The ultimate failed parasitic ideology.
Let me explain. Western values are indeed hyprocitical garbage. Since I am one of those people, who made good money by systematically privatizing profits and socializing losses, you can believe me, when I say, it's all a scam :)
Whenever the idea of indefinite growth fails de facto, rich save it via socialism. So you can pretend not to see it all you want, yet it's exactly what's happening.
I mean, we have no doubt that you're a terrible hypocritical person, as you've demonstrated repeatedly throughout this thread.
Which nation's ideals do you find worth emulating?
I mean, we have no doubt that you're a terrible hypocritical person, as you've demonstrated repeatedly throughout this thread.
Which nation's ideals do you find worth emulating?
Ad hominem all you want, Western values still remain hypocritical garbage.
We have manipulated, pillaged and killed for our own profit in many countries. Yet somehow we always manage to sell a positive spin to the Western majority. If we have nice houses with white walls and pretty furniture, we must be right and poor people must be wrong. In reality, quite the contrary, a lot of money was made by the rich and powerful in the wrongest ways possible and some of it simply has trickled down to us, which for some reason gives a false sense of moral superiority.
No nations ideals are worth emulating. As longs as weapons and soldiers exist, there will be money to be made by killing and we will find ways of accepting it as a good thing.
I mean, we have no doubt that you're a terrible hypocritical person, as you've demonstrated repeatedly throughout this thread.
Which nation's ideals do you find worth emulating?
Ad hominem all you want, Western values still remain hypocritical garbage.
We have manipulated, pillaged and killed for our own profit in many countries. Yet somehow we always manage to sell a positive spin to the Western majority. If we have nice houses with white walls and pretty furniture, we must be right and poor people must be wrong. In reality, quite the contrary, a lot of money was made by the rich and powerful in the wrongest ways possible and some of it simply has trickled down to us, which for some reason gives a false sense of moral superiority.
No nations ideals are worth emulating. As longs as weapons and soldiers exist, there will be money to be made by killing and we will find ways of accepting it as a good thing.
By Western values I mean us here. In this thread, pretending to be riding the high horse, when in reality nothing Russia is doing differs from what the West has done in the recent past.
Piles of bodies in Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria and now Ukraine.
Someone here was criticizing that Russia is hitting Ukrainian electricity and water infrastructures in the cities. These are words of the NATO spokesman Shea during a press conference in 1999: "If President Milosevic really wants all of his population to have water and electricity all he has to do is accept NATO's five conditions and we will stop this campaign. But as long as he doesn't do so we will continue to attack those targets which provide the electricity for his armed forces. If that has civilian consequences, it's for him to deal with"
By Western values I mean us here. In this thread, pretending to be riding the high horse, when in reality nothing Russia is doing differs from what the West has done in the recent past.
Piles of bodies in Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria and now Ukraine.
Someone here was criticizing that Russia is hitting Ukrainian electricity and water infrastructures in the cities. These are words of the NATO spokesman Shea during a press conference in 1999: "If President Milosevic really wants all of his population to have water and electricity all he has to do is accept NATO's five conditions and we will stop this campaign. But as long as he doesn't do so we will continue to attack those targets which provide the electricity for his armed forces. If that has civilian consequences, it's for him to deal with"
You were the one calling the strike on the Kerch Bridge a terrorist act, which I believe were the exact words Putin used. So, by your logic you’re no better than Putin?
By Western values I mean us here. In this thread, pretending to be riding the high horse, when in reality nothing Russia is doing differs from what the West has done in the recent past.
Piles of bodies in Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria and now Ukraine.
Someone here was criticizing that Russia is hitting Ukrainian electricity and water infrastructures in the cities. These are words of the NATO spokesman Shea during a press conference in 1999: "If President Milosevic really wants all of his population to have water and electricity all he has to do is accept NATO's five conditions and we will stop this campaign. But as long as he doesn't do so we will continue to attack those targets which provide the electricity for his armed forces. If that has civilian consequences, it's for him to deal with"
A good explainer on why your simple take is naive.
Russia's attacks on Ukraine's civilian infrastructure, including energy facilities, have been described as possible war crimes by the office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights and Amnesty International.
By Western values I mean us here. In this thread, pretending to be riding the high horse, when in reality nothing Russia is doing differs from what the West has done in the recent past.
Piles of bodies in Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria and now Ukraine.
Someone here was criticizing that Russia is hitting Ukrainian electricity and water infrastructures in the cities. These are words of the NATO spokesman Shea during a press conference in 1999: "If President Milosevic really wants all of his population to have water and electricity all he has to do is accept NATO's five conditions and we will stop this campaign. But as long as he doesn't do so we will continue to attack those targets which provide the electricity for his armed forces. If that has civilian consequences, it's for him to deal with"
For quote context, the Yugoslavia Army was literally targeting Kosovar Albanian civilians and NATO was trying to stop them from doing so via an aerial campaign. The Kosov intervention was on shaky international legal grounds and some of the airstrikes were unfortunate, but as a moral equivalence to Russia's infrastructure bombing campaign in Ukraine, it's not a great example.
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