The laughable thing amongst all this is that Young's buddy Adam Holland would have been a much more realistic option to take down the record. A 2:28 marathoner, he ran a lot further than Young in their Guersney treadmill challenge and has won numerous real races not the fictitious 90 odd that Young claimed. Looks like Skins cocked up big time and fell for this scammer when his mate is the real deal.
http://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/profile.aspx?athleteid=26713
rojo wrote:
Fact King wrote:His PR's according to his website...
Does anyone else in the world have a 10K where they split a 5K faster than their 5K personal best?
I won't even talk about the 1/2 and full marathon?
5km 15:56
10km 30:47
Half marathon 1hrs 08mins
Marathon 2hrs 41mins
24hrs 141 miles
200 miles 38hrs 43mins
So what are his actual PRs. I'm seriously considering offering him $100,000 to do the three marathons in 30 hours. I just want to make sure's nowhere close to a 30:47 guys as I assume a 30:47 guy could do that.
3 marathons in 30 hours for $100k is a different league to what he has claimed. Please don't give him an easy target and end up giving him $100k for being a lying cheat!
125 miles in 24 hours should be doable for someone of his great running ability, or maybe just a few 6 minute miles with a stride rate of below 50!
exiledbrit wrote:
Rob's sister: Donna Jane Young
https://www.facebook.com/donnaadu?fref=tsHis mother: Irene Williams
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002269653434
Interesting. I wonder if they can confirm Rob's stories about his youth?
exiledbrit wrote:
Rob's sister: Donna Jane Young
https://www.facebook.com/donnaadu?fref=tsHis mother: Irene Williams
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002269653434
Stalking and cyber stalking are criminal offenses. Some of you are taking this stuff way too far.
94370592730 wrote:
Stalking and cyber stalking are criminal offenses. Some of you are taking this stuff way too far.
Isn't this called "using Facebook" ?
Frank Spinner wrote:
verbose wrote:why did it take 101 pages to just point to the cadence data? Had to justify the paycheck?
The cadence data was the smoking gun that we wanted all along... Must have been the easiest pay day ever for these guys.
Yep, the appropriate questions were already asked well before the academics arrived. Skins could've dumped the raw watch data here and on the ulist and had the same charts in 48 hours free of charge. Of course they haven't appeared remotely bright from the get go. The cadence data is no more damning than the stuck rv incident, Asher's videos, the tracker data, the challenges from really good runners, or reading between the not so subtle lines of the Geezer's reports.
Does Skins not employ a single hobby runner to tell them RY had obviously cheated months ago? Maybe not since they sent an intern out to try and coordinate a month long wr attempt by a mediocre runner with a blatantly inflated past. No one at skins even looked at RY's nonsensical claimed pr progression and called BS. No one looked into a claimed career as a professional cyclist?!? Congrats to them for following through and slamming the door shut, but the self back patting for commissioning a 100 page report basically akin to determining the color of the sky is a bit irritating.
Do not challenge him to run 3 marathons as he claimed unless you give him 2 weeks or less to do it. He's probably capable of those times with 6 months of training.
Assuming a relatively non-technical course, moderate elevation, no drastic elevation change and moderate weather conditions 78 miles in 30 hours is easy if he is rested and not injured.
quartermiler wrote:
exiledbrit wrote:Rob's sister: Donna Jane Young
https://www.facebook.com/donnaadu?fref=tsHis mother: Irene Williams
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002269653434Interesting. I wonder if they can confirm Rob's stories about his youth?
So you're suggesting they confirm his story and therefor whether or not they were also violently attacked by their father / husband some years ago?? All for the entertainment of a running forum.
Really...? wrote:
quartermiler wrote:Interesting. I wonder if they can confirm Rob's stories about his youth?
So you're suggesting they confirm his story and therefor whether or not they were also violently attacked by their father / husband some years ago?? All for the entertainment of a running forum.
Yes, what don't you understand about "I wonder if they can confirm Rob's stories about his youth"?. I think some call it investigative journalism or holistic investigation in an attempt to get to the truth, and not just for the "entertainment of a running forum", this has now gone main stream in case you hadn't noticed.
Rob's own book stated that his mother was beaten and sister was raped repeatedly by his own father. It also easily identified them. it didn't take deep digging by members of this forum. Read the book, and then look at the names on Robs Facebook Friends list. I would have hoped that Rob or his 'team' would have asked them first if it was ok to publish those details.
Asking if the stories are true isn't stalking ( although repeatedly asking if they choose not to answer might be getting there )
Really...? wrote:
So you're suggesting they confirm his story and therefor whether or not they were also violently attacked by their father / husband some years ago?? All for the entertainment of a running forum.
I don't know about you but if I had written a book about myself and put a load of information damaging to other people into the public domain I would expect to be able to prove what I was saying if anyone queried me. Just because someone says something does not make it true or immune from people asking for evidence that this is so.
If you don't want people "prying" into your life then don't write a book about yourself FFS!
I think you are underestimating the difficulty of this. It's not 78 miles in 30 hours. It's 3 full marathons of certain given paces. You don't get to stop and run it in separate sessions. Really, only the very best runners could do this- approaching elite level.
Calm down guys. Already people are being soft on Rob - Skins suggesting that his background provides him with an excuse for his behaviour; the Guardian mentioning the 'cyber-bullying' he is a 'victim of'. How's it going to look if we start harrassing his mother and sister? It will engender more sympathy for him. Don't give them the excuse.
He asked for attention - his mother and sister did not. You can't choose your family so let's leave them out of it. It's not like he murdered anyone.
Anyway, the report came out the way we wanted. I find it unlikely he's going to turn up at any of those races he has suggested. Why would he do a 6-day race in the US? It's returning to the scene of his previous misdemeanours. He surely knows he is loathed in the US.
I think I read something on his Facebook about how he might do the Spine race. Let's face it, he is not of the calibre to perform well at these types of events. If he shows up and runs it will show him up for what he really is. Plus, he has no sponsor now. He's not going to have the freedom to run as much as he wants without funding coming in. He's finished.
Trinity1976 wrote:
Calm down guys.
He asked for attention - his mother and sister did not. You can't choose your family so let's leave them out of it. It's not like he murdered anyone.
I think it is you who needs to calm down, he wrote a book containing extremely serious allegations and seems to have made a whole series of highly dubious claims about his athletic exploits - nobody forced him to do this. However there is all the difference in the world between people making suggestions about using freely available, non-private channels on the internet and actually harassing anyone. As it happens I don't want people intruding into my life so i'm not on Facebook or any social media - if other people feel the same then they have the perfect right to.
Ignore questions.
Block people.
Make their accounts private other than to friends.
Close their accounts.
just me wrote:
Rojo, if it were me, I wouldn't offer money for him to try to replicate these bogus claims. If he gets near them, he can claim the ability to have done them, just not that day. Giving him any further attention is like feeding a troll. If hardcore evidence such as the cadence before/after Asher doesn't force him to admit, nothing will. Two credentialed respected professors already systematically discredited him with an airtight case. It's hard to top that.
Just my opinion.
Kind of agree with this. Seems that with the MR offer you were really adding something to the discussion precisely because we did NOT have the kind of documentation we have here. Here you have a multi chapter report, withdrawn sponsorship, retreating subject. Hopefully RY will continue to retreat and fade into another inimitable, strange Letsrun memory, My two cents.
Yes, but his allegations are against his father so if they are untrue then it's up to his father to address that (assuming he's still alive - I have no idea). I am curious to know whether they are all lies like everything else that comes out of his mouth but not curious enough to bother his family about it. If I were them I'd unfriend him though.
The important thing is that his life as a 'professional runner' is probably over. I think that's an achievement for the people on this forum who have done all the analysis over the last few months and you should all be proud of that. I think if he disappears into obscurity that is a good outcome. It's an appropriate punishment for a narcissist.
MarathonMind wrote:
I think you are underestimating the difficulty of this. It's not 78 miles in 30 hours. It's 3 full marathons of certain given paces. You don't get to stop and run it in separate sessions. Really, only the very best runners could do this- approaching elite level.
Nowhere near elite level, the fastest pace is outside 7.30min miling. That is over 30 seconds per mile slower than the 100 mile record, only 3/4 of the distance, spread over 3 efforts, and with the first 2 marathons at an even slower pace. This isn't some tricky trail race.
Yeah but, how many folks can actually run a 100 mile race? No matter, my point is that only serious, dedicated runners can do this. People running over 100 mpw. That is an elite group right there. And again, how many of those folks regularly run single session 26 mile long runs? And three days in a row?
I'm hurting just thinking about it.
Ultraboy wrote:
I think the 3 marathons are easy if you are a relatively average club runner. the times are pretty rubbish for anybody with any background of training, its the doing them in succession when he claimed to have had no sporting background. In reality that too was a lie and he'd been running regularly for at least he previous year.
To be frank, I am a 44 year old runner who has done a bit of training in the last 12 weeks after 16 years without training. I reckon I could do those 3 marathons in 30 hours right now and I haven't had time to prepare specifically for them. If you allow him to prepare for this you will be $100k lighter in the near future.
Far better to get him to replicate his run across the Kansas dessert and his high altitude 1:12 followed after a 15 minute break by a 1:15.
I sincerely doubt it. It's not 78.6 miles in 30 hours. It's 26.2 in 4:09, 26.2 in 3:xx, and 26.2 in 3:19.
Big difference.
