people need to realise some people couldn't give a toss about abstract times, purely running for the love of it. whether that is in the mountains with your dog, pushing a buggy with you kid, running seville marathon or all of the above.
He did address this in a recent podcast. he didnt think he would have the discipline to adhere to the principles. im a few weeks into NSM and i love it. Andy seems to want to run in the hills with his dog, run a few fast parkruns, run a few races and have fun. i dont think there's anything wrong with that. if he did NSM and got faster but miserable hes not winning.
I do get that, but you can still do all those things and train using something like NSM, which I agree would almost certainly make him better. You can run the hills with your dog (the vast majority of it is very easy) and the fact he runs parkruns is a big upside. It doesn't make sense to me, if he is going to set himself decent targets but at least not try and do something structured, sensible and optimal to get there. Having set goals, targets, I don't fully buy it's "just to have fun"
people need to realise some people couldn't give a toss about abstract times, purely running for the love of it. whether that is in the mountains with your dog, pushing a buggy with you kid, running seville marathon or all of the above.
I think a lot of users on this thread felt this way once upon a time. Now it's just a place for jaded folks to poke fun at those who are still in love with running, even with suboptimal training approaches.
He did address this in a recent podcast. he didnt think he would have the discipline to adhere to the principles. im a few weeks into NSM and i love it. Andy seems to want to run in the hills with his dog, run a few fast parkruns, run a few races and have fun. i dont think there's anything wrong with that. if he did NSM and got faster but miserable hes not winning.
I do get that, but you can still do all those things and train using something like NSM, which I agree would almost certainly make him better. You can run the hills with your dog (the vast majority of it is very easy) and the fact he runs parkruns is a big upside. It doesn't make sense to me, if he is going to set himself decent targets but at least not try and do something structured, sensible and optimal to get there. Having set goals, targets, I don't fully buy it's "just to have fun"
Have you ever done NSM? It is extremely boring and requires the discipline to almost never stray off plan to reap the benefits of it vs other plans
I do get that, but you can still do all those things and train using something like NSM, which I agree would almost certainly make him better. You can run the hills with your dog (the vast majority of it is very easy) and the fact he runs parkruns is a big upside. It doesn't make sense to me, if he is going to set himself decent targets but at least not try and do something structured, sensible and optimal to get there. Having set goals, targets, I don't fully buy it's "just to have fun"
Have you ever done NSM? It is extremely boring and requires the discipline to almost never stray off plan to reap the benefits of it vs other plans
Boring in what way? Aren't all training plans "boring"?
It's no more repetitive than JD or Pfitz. Pfitz marathon plans are virtually the same week every week, MLR, easy, light session, long run
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I do get that, but you can still do all those things and train using something like NSM, which I agree would almost certainly make him better. You can run the hills with your dog (the vast majority of it is very easy) and the fact he runs parkruns is a big upside. It doesn't make sense to me, if he is going to set himself decent targets but at least not try and do something structured, sensible and optimal to get there. Having set goals, targets, I don't fully buy it's "just to have fun"
Have you ever done NSM? It is extremely boring and requires the discipline to almost never stray off plan to reap the benefits of it vs other plans
Speaking about It's On Andy, he does track sessions twice a week that are structured by a coach. These often focus on upper-end work, so the opposite of NSM. He seems to handle recovery very, very well.
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Seeing his heart rate go into the 170s in the first 2 miles @5:42 makes me feel like he has to work some more on his fart analysis. Would be suprised if he manages sub 1:15
Have you ever done NSM? It is extremely boring and requires the discipline to almost never stray off plan to reap the benefits of it vs other plans
I have. With great success. The best thing about it is the freedom it gives you. If you she want to go and run and enjoy the views, either friends slowly in the hills, run the trails easy, that is going to essentially cover 75% of your weeks running with no problems. I think there's this myth with NSM it takes the fun out of running. The opposite for me, I've been enjoying the easy days and the pleasure of really easy more than ever.
It's only the workouts that are pretty non-negotiable. But, in what good training program isn't this the case?
Im with you on NSM. its the plan that best suits my personality and lifestyle.
It wouldnt suit Andy. He loves going to the club sessions. Hes happy doing what hes doing.
I think we just need to accept people are different and like / want different things.
I sort of used to be like this. But then when I changed my training up like many others, NSM inspired, running became more enjoyable. Yes, I couldn't do the crazy track nights with my club in London, but the amount of progress I made was so satisfying overall I enjoyed running more. I would generally agree if you have goals and targets and are going to train for more than just fun, why not try and see what's best or most optimal? Whatever kind of training or plan that might be. There's many different ones out there to just smashing track nights and parkruns.
Philly Bowden new video - She calls her coach and asks him if she can run a track session. He says no that isn't in the plan but she tells him that shes already planned her video to be about getting back on the track and so she needs to do it now . He then tells her to run on feel and she videos herself constantly checking her pace the entire session.
Good talent but my god she just seems totally uncoachable.
"Winter of Speed" seems to have Floberg in a good spot "Yeah, we fit" he states on Strava. He actually ran a workout outside too. Core memories, bro. His ever rotating "best bud" of the month is with him. "My boy" Clark, Matt Fox, Kofuzi, those old training partners, best friends and confidants fading from memory like the photo from Back To The Future. His camera man, who followed him around like a corgi follows his master now also relegated to a distant corner of the Floberg mind.
Clearly in 2:25 shape. The Flo "knows" when he's in good shape. I think if we have learnt anything from the last few years it's that when 'Berg tells us he is in good shape, we listen. He has an uncanny, almost supernatural, ability to "sense" his fitness. He doesn't need long tempos, MP workouts or time trials, he just sits in the tree and "knows" he is in 2:25 shape. Some say he can smell his own farts and instantly know his fitness level. His unparalleled marathon pacing abilities will come to the fore in Boston. He is ready. Are you?
Hilarious that a 5:10 mile at the end is “fastest he’s ever done in workout”
That just tells me you are not in 2:30 shape brother.
By all accounts, he lives with his parents and, as a family, they’re self‑sufficient. People in the UK seem obsessed with the idea that everyone should stand in line doing soul‑destroying jobs. Honestly, I like him. He’s pursuing a passion project, and he’s not doing it in an egotistical or sensationalist way like Phily. As we all know, most things in life are fairly pointless, so why not enjoy yourself? What annoys me is that in the UK, relatively average posh kids like RTJ, Goddard, Fry and Parker get to follow their passions. They’re part of the 7% who go to private school, whereas the remaining 93% are expected to stay in their lane.
Totally agreed, I see it in this thread quite a bit.. "what is their plan after running/youtube what skills do they have blah blah". Who gives a toss. If you can reach 30 something and say to yourself I pursued something I loved as a vocation during my 20s and I loved it and then continue to work minimum wage work for the rest of your life, that is a life better lived than 99% of us.
Especially as someone from a working class background.
Think people are forgetting he does actually work self employed as a coach, he would only need minimum 12 clients a month to be comfortable, not like the cost of living is particularly high on the outskirts of Glasgow compared to London
I do get that, but you can still do all those things and train using something like NSM, which I agree would almost certainly make him better. You can run the hills with your dog (the vast majority of it is very easy) and the fact he runs parkruns is a big upside. It doesn't make sense to me, if he is going to set himself decent targets but at least not try and do something structured, sensible and optimal to get there. Having set goals, targets, I don't fully buy it's "just to have fun"
Have you ever done NSM? It is extremely boring and requires the discipline to almost never stray off plan to reap the benefits of it vs other plans
Brilliant play asking old_skool50 if he has ever done NSM. Genuinely impossible to tell whether this is a bit, or you haven't spent 5 minutes in the NSM thread.
"Winter of Speed" seems to have Floberg in a good spot "Yeah, we fit" he states on Strava. He actually ran a workout outside too. Core memories, bro. His ever rotating "best bud" of the month is with him. "My boy" Clark, Matt Fox, Kofuzi, those old training partners, best friends and confidants fading from memory like the photo from Back To The Future. His camera man, who followed him around like a corgi follows his master now also relegated to a distant corner of the Floberg mind.
Clearly in 2:25 shape. The Flo "knows" when he's in good shape. I think if we have learnt anything from the last few years it's that when 'Berg tells us he is in good shape, we listen. He has an uncanny, almost supernatural, ability to "sense" his fitness. He doesn't need long tempos, MP workouts or time trials, he just sits in the tree and "knows" he is in 2:25 shape. Some say he can smell his own farts and instantly know his fitness level. His unparalleled marathon pacing abilities will come to the fore in Boston. He is ready. Are you?
Hilarious that a 5:10 mile at the end is “fastest he’s ever done in workout”
That just tells me you are not in 2:30 shape brother.
The big man needs to be hitting a 1:10/1:11 HM on the weekend to have any realistic hope of going 2:30 in Boston. No matter what he says he is tapered for this HM. It is the real deal and he needs to deliver
It makes more sense when you realise she's not arsed about being coached anymore, or for that matter doing well at running as long as the views keep pouring in
For those who think influencers don't post, today Track Club Babe posted a screenshot of an email from a company that sells GLP-1s to runners. Track Club Babe, to her credit, turned down the offer, which was for 10% of the referral link's subscription. The company said the average influencer shilling their link makes $3,500 a month. Performance Enhancing Drug dealers by any other name!
Philly Bowden new video - She calls her coach and asks him if she can run a track session. He says no that isn't in the plan but she tells him that shes already planned her video to be about getting back on the track and so she needs to do it now . He then tells her to run on feel and she videos herself constantly checking her pace the entire session.
Good talent but my god she just seems totally uncoachable.
I just watched the video (the part you're referencing is less than 2mins in) and you've left out the part where she says "I did text you last week" and the coach has clearly forgotten that he ok'd it. I'm not a fan of Philly by any means but you left out a massive part of the context that conflicts with your view of her as "uncoachable"