Sally Vix wrote:
Trump - F - he has no control at all.
If you've finally realized this, the night has been a success.
Sally Vix wrote:
Trump - F - he has no control at all.
If you've finally realized this, the night has been a success.
hoppings wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
www statista com inhabitants/
USA! USA!! USA!!!
4% of the world population
20% of the COVID deaths
33% of the people STILL infected with COVID.
In case they bring up the number of tests: the US is the top 11 worst deaths per capita, ALL but 10 countries did better than the US in deaths/population.
Dementia Joe brain freeze- he couldn't recall any law enforcement group to endorse his campaign.
“He wouldn’t know a suburb unless he took a wrong turn”
"The Green New Deal is not my plan"- Dementia Joe
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjISnTLUwAAtaqQ?format=jpg&name=small
I've rarely been more embarrassed to be an American.
Trump is a shame to the nation for ever and ever.
Only positive piece is that there are just 35 days til the election and Trump did nothing to close the gap. Biden remains in the lead by a large amount.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/4% of the world's population.
21% of the world's COVID-19 cases.
Job well done, huh. That's what you get when a country's leader has no interest in leading or doing anything that he doesn't find immediately helpful to himself.
Biden needs to repeat this statistic over and over and over, and not let Trump claim it could have been worse.
It IS worse. We did far, far worse than our peer nations, especially canada.
4% of population, 20% of deaths. Say it over and over.
Elvin wrote:
In all the years we've been having debates, they still haven't figured out that they need to mute the mic of the candidate who doesn't have the floor at the moment?
It's not that they haven't figured it out. They are not interested in enforcing such a rule. Candidates cutting off each other is a great theater for the media.
What they did not expect is a candidate who cuts off not just his opponent, but also the moderator.
The Trump team line about Biden’s dementia backfired.
It was a risky strategy that set the bar very low for a Biden. Biden handled the interruptions and goading very well. He was coherent, he beat his opponent in terms of substance and delivery.
betting odds on the election completely unchanged from before to after the debate.
On predictit anyway.
No one cares - everyone has made up her mind already.
I suspect many fewer people will watch the next ones.
Just too awful.
Trump was absolutely on drugs. Definitely a mega dose of Adderall. And likely shared some of Junior's white, snorted, nasal, magic powder.
agip wrote:
I've rarely been more embarrassed to be an American.
Trump is a shame to the nation for ever and ever.
Only positive piece is that there are just 35 days til the election and Trump did nothing to close the gap. Biden remains in the lead by a large amount.
Wrong, democrat piece of trash.
Patriotic Americans will be rounding up democrats and charging them with treason while celebrating victory.
Summary: Donald Trump was unhinged. He interrupted constantly. Chris Wallace had to scold him several times, and when Trump pushed back that Biden was also interrupting, Wallace told him that he (Trump) was doing it far more often. Biden wins overall. BOTH had moments of pettiness. Trump was worse there.
Now, most of the below shows that my opinion is that Biden won, but here are my criticisms of Biden - He should have stayed away from any pettiness. Trump pulled him into the gutter, and while Trump was still worse, Biden went there. Biden made a BIG mistake when he basically said Trump was using existing tax codes and that he (Biden) would close them. On that one point, Trump won, because Biden didn't mention that what was going on was likely fraud. Perhaps he felt like he could say that, but he could have mentioned that Trump was being investigated for fraud. Biden was eventually shaken by Trump's interrupting.
My rough notes on the rest - some are thoughts I had while watching it live:
“I have a lot of time after the election (to fill the SCOTUS seat).” – Trump. Kind of tells me he knows he is going to lose.
To Biden - “Thank you Jim” – Trump
Trump more focused on first question, but then he disintegrated .
Obamacare question (Biden wins this):
Trump too argumentative. Trump appears unhinged.
Trump said he had a plan. He has never had a plan. He didn't mention what his plan was.
Insulin – I’m getting it so cheap. “It’s like water.”
Trump – “I want to help people.”
Biden [sarcastically]– “That’s what he’s known for.”
COVID: Biden destroyed him.
“You should get out of your bunker and your sand trap at your golf courses.”
Trump said governors said, “President Trump did a phenomenal job.” Didn’t list the governors.
Trump brought up H1N1 and said Biden did a horrible job there. H1N1 killed 14,000 not over 200,000 and the US didn’t have to shut down the economy. This was a big failed play by Trump.
Trump says the vaccine could come faster.
Biden goes with what the scientists say. Trump disagrees with them and says it will be here faster.
Trump – “If you would have…you could never have done what I’ve done.” Never said what that meant.
Trump – Contradicted himself about how younger people are not vulnerable to COVID even though he admitted to Bob Woodward that they are.
Trump arguing that many people don’t think masks work, ignoring what most scientists say.
Trump unwilling to follow the rules of the debate.
Trump Taxes - Of course Biden won this.
“I was a private business people.”
Trump said the military was broken when he took over. He never said how.
Chris Wallace pointed out that Obama administration created 1.5 million more jobs in last 3 years than have been created in three years under Trump.
Trump to Biden – “No, you’re number 2”. So, he called Biden "poop".
Wallace – “Frankly, you’ve been doing more interrupting”
Dividing the country - Biden wins
Trump said Biden calls peaceful protest people running down the street burning things down.
Trump said that during the Obama-Biden administration there was great division.
“We’ve broken every record in the book.” – Trump. Never said to what he was referring.
Final comments - Biden wins
Trump - “Never been an administration that’s done what I have done”. Again, no mention of what that means.
Biden – Talked about his son Beau in the military and criticized Trump for calling fallen US soldiers “losers” and “suckers”. Trump responds by attacking Hunter Biden.
Climate Change - Biden wins
Wallace grilled Trump on rolling back Obama administration rules that protect the environment. Forced Trump to be defensive. Didn’t do a good job.
Biden – Talked about renewable energy and how that is the future.
Trump – Kept bringing up the Green New Deal as if that was Biden’s plan. Biden said several times that it wasn’t his plan.
Election Integrity - Biden wins
Trump – “We caught them all.” “It’s a rigged election”. “Mailmen are selling ballots” Just looney tunes. Would not tell his supporters to be non-violent.
Biden – Told his supporters not to be violent. Encourages people to vote. Mentions Trump admin officials that there is no issue with voting by mail.
After, one of the commentators said it was the worst debate at this level ever. I have to agree. Both are to blame. Trump to blame more.
There were people saying Trump wouldn’t debate and people saying Biden wouldn’t debate.
Well, they debated. At least once.
There are already rumors they may call off the other two.
Stopping at one helps Biden because he’s leading and it’s just a chance for more Trump rambling.
Stopping at one helps Trump because he did not do well. He looked like a fool.
Flagpole wrote:
Summary: Donald Trump was unhinged. He interrupted constantly. Chris Wallace had to scold him several times, and when Trump pushed back that Biden was also interrupting, Wallace told him that he (Trump) was doing it far more often. Biden wins overall. BOTH had moments of pettiness. Trump was worse there.
Now, most of the below shows that my opinion is that Biden won, but here are my criticisms of Biden - He should have stayed away from any pettiness. Trump pulled him into the gutter, and while Trump was still worse, Biden went there. Biden made a BIG mistake when he basically said Trump was using existing tax codes and that he (Biden) would close them. On that one point, Trump won, because Biden didn't mention that what was going on was likely fraud. Perhaps he felt like he could say that, but he could have mentioned that Trump was being investigated for fraud. Biden was eventually shaken by Trump's interrupting.
My rough notes on the rest - some are thoughts I had while watching it live:
“I have a lot of time after the election (to fill the SCOTUS seat).” – Trump. Kind of tells me he knows he is going to lose.
To Biden - “Thank you Jim” – Trump
Trump more focused on first question, but then he disintegrated .
Obamacare question (Biden wins this):
Trump too argumentative. Trump appears unhinged.
Trump said he had a plan. He has never had a plan. He didn't mention what his plan was.
Insulin – I’m getting it so cheap. “It’s like water.”
Trump – “I want to help people.”
Biden [sarcastically]– “That’s what he’s known for.”
COVID: Biden destroyed him.
“You should get out of your bunker and your sand trap at your golf courses.”
Trump said governors said, “President Trump did a phenomenal job.” Didn’t list the governors.
Trump brought up H1N1 and said Biden did a horrible job there. H1N1 killed 14,000 not over 200,000 and the US didn’t have to shut down the economy. This was a big failed play by Trump.
Trump says the vaccine could come faster.
Biden goes with what the scientists say. Trump disagrees with them and says it will be here faster.
Trump – “If you would have…you could never have done what I’ve done.” Never said what that meant.
Trump – Contradicted himself about how younger people are not vulnerable to COVID even though he admitted to Bob Woodward that they are.
Trump arguing that many people don’t think masks work, ignoring what most scientists say.
Trump unwilling to follow the rules of the debate.
Trump Taxes - Of course Biden won this.
“I was a private business people.”
Trump said the military was broken when he took over. He never said how.
Chris Wallace pointed out that Obama administration created 1.5 million more jobs in last 3 years than have been created in three years under Trump.
Trump to Biden – “No, you’re number 2”. So, he called Biden "poop".
Wallace – “Frankly, you’ve been doing more interrupting”
Dividing the country - Biden wins
Trump said Biden calls peaceful protest people running down the street burning things down.
Trump said that during the Obama-Biden administration there was great division.
“We’ve broken every record in the book.” – Trump. Never said to what he was referring.
Final comments - Biden wins
Trump - “Never been an administration that’s done what I have done”. Again, no mention of what that means.
Biden – Talked about his son Beau in the military and criticized Trump for calling fallen US soldiers “losers” and “suckers”. Trump responds by attacking Hunter Biden.
Climate Change - Biden wins
Wallace grilled Trump on rolling back Obama administration rules that protect the environment. Forced Trump to be defensive. Didn’t do a good job.
Biden – Talked about renewable energy and how that is the future.
Trump – Kept bringing up the Green New Deal as if that was Biden’s plan. Biden said several times that it wasn’t his plan.
Election Integrity - Biden wins
Trump – “We caught them all.” “It’s a rigged election”. “Mailmen are selling ballots” Just looney tunes. Would not tell his supporters to be non-violent.
Biden – Told his supporters not to be violent. Encourages people to vote. Mentions Trump admin officials that there is no issue with voting by mail.
After, one of the commentators said it was the worst debate at this level ever. I have to agree. Both are to blame. Trump to blame more.
Wrong, democrat piece of trash.
Patriotic Americans will be rounding up democrats and charging them with treason while celebrating victory.
What was Trump's plan to gain voters by this strategy? Confirm the unhinged kindergartner he is? It was a completely expected performance by a lunatic who can't even hit the easy pitch of criticizing white supremacy and instead asked them to stand by ?!
It's hard to think of a worse performance by Trump. I can imagine how hard the coaches must have worked with him on NOT doing exactly that.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Dementia Joe brain freeze- he couldn't recall any law enforcement group to endorse his campaign.
That was not good. I agree. He should have had a list in front of him. Over 190 have endorsed him so far. So, this is actually a good point by you. I guess hell has frozen over.
NameStolenAgain wrote:
What was Trump's plan to gain voters by this strategy? Confirm the unhinged kindergartner he is? It was a completely expected performance by a lunatic who can't even hit the easy pitch of criticizing white supremacy and instead asked them to stand by ?!
It's hard to think of a worse performance by Trump. I can imagine how hard the coaches must have worked with him on NOT doing exactly that.
It was pretty insane.
To be the fair person I ALWAYS am, the few times Chris Wallace was grilling anyone, it was Trump. I'm sure Trump might say Wallace was unfair, and I wouldn't go that far, but he was harder on Trump, and he (Wallace) brought up job gains during the Obama administration that comparatively showed Trump administration in a bid light. I was a tad surprised, but VERY glad he was from Fox News and not one of the other more liberal outlets.
Sally Vix wrote:
Mid-debate grades:
Trump - F - he has no control at all.
Biden - C - Trump is acting like a fool. Biden needs to counter that with witty responses. He hasn't.
Wallace - C minus - decent questions but no control of candidates. This debate is a joke.
Gonna grade you:
On Trump - CORRECT!
On Biden - CORRECT!
On Wallace - CORRECT! (with the added caveat that Trump made it nearly impossible short of physical restrain)
Anyway, you got this EXACTLY right. I will say nothing further. I will just let you bask in your victory here.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Dementia Joe brain freeze- he couldn't recall any law enforcement group to endorse his campaign.
Yeah cause imaging endorsements that didn’t actually happen is a much better look.
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/politics/elections/debate-trump-claims-portland-sheriff-endorses-him/283-ba47d284-705b-4fb3-9360-3ec81c06fb97Very weak look for Trump getting slapped down by the Portland Sherrif.