Robert Young fakes run across America

We need someone other than CoachKlev to get confirmation from Lieberman...

UK Observer wrote:

I had the same issue, but it livened up the day.

Can I just get confirmation of were this is at.....

RV Incident: No Response

Triathlete Claims: Proved True

Pro Cycling: Suspect Evidence/Lack of Proof/False?

PB Stats: Partially Amended / Suspect

Peace Champion 2015: Proved True

Expert Testimony (Lieberman): Proved True

370 Marathons: Likely True (At least from when his supporters joined him on every run)

Transcon Race: Tracking in place but not universally accepted, suspected to be cheating?

If I've missed anything please pipe up. From the above I'd draw the conclusion that performances have highly likely been exaggerated or misrecorded (I..e 7km duatlon split). However, there is still the possibility he Is actually doing this legit.

Take those bananas wrote:

http://fittish.deadspin.com/is-this-ultramarathoner-faking-his-record-breaking-atte-1781640127?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Wow great article!

crete wrote:

triathleteguru wrote:

Here is their explanation for the incident that started this whole thread:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1024241607660097

He says they took off in fear in the van ... yet they were going 7 mph. Doesn't add up... you think they'd peel out and speed away instead of crawling at 7mph.

48 hours and that is the best story they can come up with?

Unbelievable - no literally Unbelievable .

Caused more questions than answers.

What about this video -

Where is Rob???

narcissistdetector wrote:

We need someone other than CoachKlev to get confirmation from Lieberman...

KudzuRunner did back on page 41

Changed my mind - He Cheated wrote:

crete wrote:

He says they took off in fear in the van ... yet they were going 7 mph. Doesn't add up... you think they'd peel out and speed away instead of crawling at 7mph.

48 hours and that is the best story they can come up with?

Unbelievable - no literally Unbelievable .

Caused more questions than answers.

What about this video -

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMRbDzZKAQnEBr05jv51pA4Dp6PdrFn_SxfkB-eiv6aOODZP5cddbPpWlIeKrEA0Q?key=WkNmVUJhYzhiLWtTWlNjUTVMMElaZ2FvTjhwWkxn

Where is Rob???

Whoa this explanation is nuts, you're going to get frightened by every single oncoming car in the middle of the night?

Changed my mind - He Cheated wrote:

crete wrote:

He says they took off in fear in the van ... yet they were going 7 mph. Doesn't add up... you think they'd peel out and speed away instead of crawling at 7mph.

48 hours and that is the best story they can come up with?

Unbelievable - no literally Unbelievable .

Caused more questions than answers.

What about this video -

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMRbDzZKAQnEBr05jv51pA4Dp6PdrFn_SxfkB-eiv6aOODZP5cddbPpWlIeKrEA0Q?key=WkNmVUJhYzhiLWtTWlNjUTVMMElaZ2FvTjhwWkxn

Where is Rob???

Congratulations Letsrunners for exposing another cheater!

Fascinating to watch the futile attempts at damage control.

I'm betting on the 'the haters have worn me down' excuse in a day or two.

[quote]narcissistdetector wrote:

We need someone other than CoachKlev to get confirmation from Lieberman...

Daniel Lieberman is a professor of human evolutionary biology at Harvard University, and an expert on the biomechanics of endurance running. At the start and end of the Race Across USA he performs tests on the competitors. He finds that Young has “the perfect running form”: good posture, a relaxed upper body, a seemingly effortless glide. Many amateur runners crash into the ground with their feet. When Lieberman asks Young to run on a pressure pad, there is very little impact.

“That’s important when you are having thousands of collisions, or millions in Rob’s case,” Lieberman says. “You cannot be a thumper and a great runner.”

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2016/03/man-who-could-not-stop-running

Dear runners,

I'm a registered car mechanic whose services have been requested by the crew. After completing a thorough inspection, I can confirm without a doubt that the treadmill in the RV is indeed directly attached to the drive train of the vehicle in a 1:1 ratio to the wheels.

During the next few days the RV crew will present video evidence of Robert running on the treadmill during the dangerous sections of this challenge, matching the exact speed of the vehicle.

Your skepticism is understandable, but you have nothing to worry about. You can now focus your attention back on the role of women with testicles in your sport.

RM

I just saw this thread. No way he can run that far or that fast at 79kg. Aside from all the other evidence, of course, but that's enough to plant seeds of doubt.

Why do people do this? Do they need the attention that badly?

It appears for the first year or so our man recorded all his marathons on MapMyRun.

http://www.mapmyrun.com/workouts/47536076/

If you go back to when it all started in April 2014 you can see the now infamous first week and the 10 marathons, only problem is that some of them appear to be direct copies of other ones with a number of marathons with exactly the same distance (go into the TCX files and they are the same to 6 decimal places). My guess is someone was using the "Copy" function and then just editing the times for some of them

RegisteredMechanic wrote:

Dear runners,

I'm a registered car mechanic whose services have been requested by the crew. After completing a thorough inspection, I can confirm without a doubt that the treadmill in the RV is indeed directly attached to the drive train of the vehicle in a 1:1 ratio to the wheels.

During the next few days the RV crew will present video evidence of Robert running on the treadmill during the dangerous sections of this challenge, matching the exact speed of the vehicle.

Your skepticism is understandable, but you have nothing to worry about. You can now focus your attention back on the role of women with testicles in your sport.

RM

This all the evidence we needed. Well I guess that's it guys, we are wrong, see you on the other side

CopyMyRun wrote:

It appears for the first year or so our man recorded all his marathons on MapMyRun.

http://www.mapmyrun.com/workouts/47536076/

If you go back to when it all started in April 2014 you can see the now infamous first week and the 10 marathons, only problem is that some of them appear to be direct copies of other ones with a number of marathons with exactly the same distance (go into the TCX files and they are the same to 6 decimal places). My guess is someone was using the "Copy" function and then just editing the times for some of them

This is pretty damming for him. This shows he was creating fakes of his runs on mapmyrun. I can't imagine why he would do this other than to create faked evidence of the feat in 2014. He should explain this to remove suspicion...

crete wrote:

CopyMyRun wrote:

It appears for the first year or so our man recorded all his marathons on MapMyRun.

http://www.mapmyrun.com/workouts/47536076/

If you go back to when it all started in April 2014 you can see the now infamous first week and the 10 marathons, only problem is that some of them appear to be direct copies of other ones with a number of marathons with exactly the same distance (go into the TCX files and they are the same to 6 decimal places). My guess is someone was using the "Copy" function and then just editing the times for some of them

This is pretty damming for him. This shows he was creating fakes of his runs on mapmyrun. I can't imagine why he would do this other than to create faked evidence of the feat in 2014. He should explain this to remove suspicion...

please copy those faked pages

CopyMyRun wrote:

It appears for the first year or so our man recorded all his marathons on MapMyRun.

http://www.mapmyrun.com/workouts/47536076/

If you go back to when it all started in April 2014 you can see the now infamous first week and the 10 marathons, only problem is that some of them appear to be direct copies of other ones with a number of marathons with exactly the same distance (go into the TCX files and they are the same to 6 decimal places). My guess is someone was using the "Copy" function and then just editing the times for some of them

The lengths to which this guy has gone to try to establish credibility are hysterical given how terrible of a job he's done.

Mapmyrun lets you enter whatever by building maps of repeat courses and copying them. Wouldn't say that means much of anything in either direction; I certainly wouldn't bother rebuilding the whole distance every time.

Unless those were uploaded from a GPS originally and you can find some leftover data proving he manipulated it, I'd say it's more or less zero proof of anything for anyone since the whole site is based on creating your own maps and logging your own times.

Remember when this guy threatened us?

Mr. Young, you are in the United States. I hope you have a damn work visa and pray you haven't cheated because we will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law and fing deport your @ss to Mexico or keep you detained at Quantico.

Cheater.

noobrunner wrote:

Mapmyrun lets you enter whatever by building maps of repeat courses and copying them. Wouldn't say that means much of anything in either direction; I certainly wouldn't bother rebuilding the whole distance every time.

Unless those were uploaded from a GPS originally and you can find some leftover data proving he manipulated it, I'd say it's more or less zero proof of anything for anyone since the whole site is based on creating your own maps and logging your own times.

Hi Rob!

Yeah all mapmyrun does is show the mileage of routes based on maps, not you actually going out and running it and tracking you. So he probably just mapped the route and said he ran it again. This doesn't really prove anything. Normally you run the same routes day in and day out, so creating new routes for each run would be annoyingly meticulous.

Hey guys, this is kind of a side note at this point but I decided to spend a bit of time trying to actually tease out more concrete information about this guy's past claims since I can't do much to verify his current run (I live on the west coast) and this thread is destroying my productivity either way (such real-life drama).

Previous posts found a couple message board threads (from 2004) discussing the 2004 European Long Course Triathlon Championships that Robert's wiki page stated he ran, placing 3rd.

http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/forum/triathlon/european-long-course-champs/31624.html

http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/forum/triathlon/european-long-course-champs/41553.html

Second link has a post mentioning Robert Young finishing 3rd in the 20-25M age group, running for GB. So I'm willing to accept that part as legit.

I was hoping to find a more reliable reference for this in order to wrap up this one point and I managed to track down the race's website. It's in German. Here's it's results page:

http://www.allgaeu-triathlon.de/footer/service/ergebnis-archiv/

On that page you will find that they do not have records for 2005 and before. So no luck getting confirmation there, or context within which to judge his time or placing. Here's what the page looked like in 2004:

https://web.archive.org/web/20040923015154/http://www.allgaeu-triathlon.de/