I think that whoever inside out is, they dont know shit about this conference...Do you look at results? West Chester has no one behind Tommy Pearson and this past weekend IUP was handled pretty well by CAL...What has Moore done for LH this year besides suck at PSU this past weekend? Ship has proven that they are better that LH this year. Beegle, Thompson, and Brady are a very solid front 3, but then behind them they have a bunch of freshmen and sophomores.
PSAC championships at kutztown (2004)
1 RYAN BLOOD SO Lock Haven 25:36
2 CHRIS COWAN SR Lock Haven 25:46
3 RYAN COON JR Edinboro 25:56
4 JIM ANSBERRY SR Edinboro 25:58
5 JORGE MEDINA SO Indiana 26:02
6 CHRIS CUMMINGS SO Mansfield 26:04
7 BILLY BUCKENMEYER JR Lock Haven 26:08
8 JOE WIEGNER SR Lock Haven 26:12
9 GREG DAVIS FR Lock Haven 26:13
10 JUSTIN SHEPHERD SO Bloomsburg 26:15
11 DANIEL HELFRICK JR Shippensburg 26:26
12 IURI PINTO FR East Stroudsburg 26:29
13 DAN FIELD SO Edinboro 26:29
14 SHAWN MOORE FR Lock Haven 26:33
15 JOHN SOMERS JR Shippensburg 26:35
16 CHRIS ROBSON SO Lock Haven 26:37
17 TERRANCE LILLICRAP SR Shippensburg 26:40
18 JARED LOWRY JR Edinboro 26:45
19 ALLEN PRYDE FR Shippensburg 26:47
20 MICHAEL ESPINOSA JR Bloomsburg 26:49
21 GREG WEISS SO Shippensburg 26:52
22 JASON WHITE SO Millersville 26:52
23 JUSTIN GAVAZZI JR Slippery Rock 26:52
24 DAVE NIEMIRA SO Edinboro 26:55
25 JOE REYNOLDS SR Edinboro 26:55
I think we can have a few run 25:30 or faster this year, but i'm not real sure how fast kutztown really is. Anyone know if the course if flat or fast?
Pink spooners suck though
Kutztown's course is probably best classified as rolling hills.
The times in 04 were a little slow because it was cold raining and the course was very muddy
I apologize for posting a reasoned and thought out post. To be clear, I predicted the top 5 and said it would be close between a list of schools. I realize now I should have worked out the estimated point scores to figure out that Cal would be 10 and not 11th. I know enough about this conference to know not to worry about Cal for another year or two. Once Coach Caulfield is established they will be very good. As for Ships top three, I said they were very good but not one of them has broken 26 on any course – ever. Here is a short list of guys in the PSAC who have this year (in no particular order and this is adjusting the SRU guys times from Penn state about 1:20)
Josh Arthur Edinboro
David Niemira Edinboro
Eric Brenner Edinboro
Ben Hahn Edinboro
Andy Thoman Edinboro
Nick Hankins Edinboro
Jeff Weiss, Jr SRU
Pat Reagan, Jr SRU
Matt Bluman, Sr SRU
Chris Geddis, Sr SRU
Cummings, Chris Mansfield
Wooten, Josh Mansfield
Pinto, Luri – ESU
Pearson, Tommy West Chester
Pearson beat the top runners at Lehigh by almost 30 seconds so now, you explain to me what evidence you have that indicates these 3 very good runners can run with the guys in this group?
Since it is rarely done I’ll go over the women’s teams to the best of my ability.
1 Kutztown is the class of the field this year but they are not as dominant as some think Bloom narrowly missed them at Paul Short and their 5th runner is vulnerable. Look for KU’s women to score 55-65 points for the win
2 Bloomsburg - a healthy Bloomsburg women’s team is tuff and strong but this team has been the most unpredictable and most prone to blow ups of any squad in the PSAC. When the chips are down… 60-70points
3 There is Edinboro! They are in the tight hunt. Last year the Scottswomen looked to be a shell of themselves and many had written them off. And BOOM in classic Watts fashioned they changed uniforms and away they ran. Look for them to score 65-75 points. It will be all about who is on that day.
4-10 is so close it is almost impossible to tell. The women are harder to read because so many of them race 5 and 6k but of this group ESU & Ship might be the biggest surprises of all. The separation in points amongst (in no particular order) Ship, ESU, Clarion, Millersville, IUP, SRU, LHU & Mansfield is going to be about 60 points. Look for these teams to score between 160 and 220 points with some only being 5 points apart.
These kids have may have ran under 26 this year, but I dont believe that these guys will be in the top 15 besides a handful. I also dont know how you think you can take a minute 20 off of PSU times. I also never said Tommy wasnt good, I actually said thats all West Chester has. Tommy is great and besides him the rest of the team have never ran together.
[quote]Scooters and spooners rule wrote:
PSAC championships at kutztown (2004)
6 CHRIS CUMMINGS SO Mansfield 26:04
12 IURI PINTO FR East Stroudsburg 26:29
14 SHAWN MOORE FR Lock Haven 26:33
24 DAVE NIEMIRA SO Edinboro 26:55
These are the top guys from PSAC in 2004. It is impressive how much better Niemira is now.
Kutztown have faces a TON of injuries. I would be surprised if they won or even placed.
Dirt (Skwierz),
I wasn't trying to start a pissing match. I'm just saying that it seems like you talk a lot about yourself on this thread.
And I wasn't referring to just one post. If anybody reads back through this thread, they will see I'm not lying.
Sorry again for offending you.
Here are some results from mansfield:
1 Allegheny College 28 1 3 6 7 11 14 24
Total Time: 2:08:30.00
Average: 25:42.00
2 Western Ontario Universit 52 5 9 10 12 16 17 27
Total Time: 2:10:18.00
Average: 26:03.60
3 Mansfield Universtiy 86 2 8 20 26 30 35 42
Total Time: 2:11:59.00
Average: 26:23.80
4 University of Rochester 95 15 18 19 21 22 23 36
Total Time: 2:12:51.00
Average: 26:34.20
5 Nazareth College 121 4 13 25 39 40 44 51
Total Time: 2:14:30.00
Average: 26:54.00
6 Suny Geneseo 153 28 29 31 32 33 34 37
Total Time: 2:16:10.00
Average: 27:14.00
7 Brockport 249 45 49 50 52 53 55 56
Total Time: 2:24:13.00
Average: 28:50.60
8 Buffalo State College 267 38 46 48 66 69
Total Time: 2:27:16.00
Average: 29:27.20
9 Syracuse XC Club 271 43 47 58 59 64 67 70
Total Time: 2:27:08.00
Average: 29:25.60
10 Alfred State College 276 41 54 57 61 63 68 71
Total Time: 2:26:51.00
Average: 29:22.20
11 Finger Lakes Community Co 338 60 62 65 75 76 77 81
Total Time: 2:39:29.00
Average: 31:53.80
12 Keuka College 380 72 73 74 79 82 83 84
Total Time: 2:54:24.01
Average: 34:52.80
13 Wells College 416 78 80 85 86 87
Total Time: 3:09:04.01
Average: 37:48.80
Cummings went 25:23....they had a 2:16 spread from their 1 to their 5th....their top four look pretty solid but they still need the 5th man to close the gap if they want a chance at cracking the top 3 at psacs...
Sorrrrrrry,
I posted a comparison to my time because I remember what I ran. I don't remember what other people ran in the race, but if you want, I'll spend the extra 10 minutes before I post and find results of several past PSAC runners on the same course and we can compare those. Maybe that's fairer?
You pussys need to stop talking so much, it doesn't matter either way, because the RMAC is so much better than the PSAC it's not even funny. One word for you PA kids, PUSSYS!
wow that is real cool, trash talking on the internet...nobody cares what you have to say buddy and from the sounds of it, it looks like you need to do some more running and run your mouth less...
Well he was right about one thing the PSAC does suck compared to the RMAC, GLIAC and a couple other conferences. But he is wrong about you being pussys. Just cause you run slow doesn't mean you are a pussy it just means you have no talent - or your coaches suck.
we do have one thing they do not, and that is shizzy! him dns'n will still beat anybody in the RMAC, therefore they are the pussies
Ship Fan, Good job!!!!
Way to come back with a solid argument, and prove your point.
To other conference people... I read this thread everyday, and nowhere did I see a post stating that "The PSAC is the Best conference in the country!" and yet here you are trying to put us down. Here we talk about who is the best IN our conference and how we think they might do at Nats. We know there are better runners than us. There are better runners than you as well, if you're so great why not run DI???? I'm not offended at all with your comments towards our conference, I have little-to-zero talent. I played soccer in HS and now I run for a crappy D2 school.
I would just like to apologize to you for making you click on our crappy/boring/pointless thread and forcing you to read our posts... I'll try to refrain from doing that in the future.
Have fun running in the Olympics.
ouch! i know we suck chad, but did you really have to go and call us crappy like that? that just hurts.
...even if it is true.
and fcuk the RMAC, everyone knows ACU is way cooler.
james carney featured in the chasing glory video today....
http://www.nyrr.org/races/pro/mens_trials/glory/index.asp#tuesday
chin up guys
Mr Carney is the Shit! Go Get em.