Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

I wish I could share your optimism but I think it’s more likely that the dictator will find a way to steal the election just like his heroes in Belarus, Turkey, Venezuela and Russia.

Flagpole wrote:

Our national nightmare is about to end.

Hopefully, but the nightmare will reach unimaginable levels during the next two months and possibly the next 3 1/2 months.

Already Trump is encouraging voters in North Carolina to vote twice. He is encouraging them to commit voter fraud. And our president says he thinks they will be successful in committing voter fraud.

Our president is recommending finding ways to reduce federal spending to democrat controlled cities to try and change the discussion to them "allowing" rioting.

How can anyone who loves this country and loves our system of democracy not hate Trump. After he loses he deserves jail time.

Possible theory: Trump encourages his supporters to vote in person on election day. There will be a lot more mail in ballots this year which usually they take longer to count and may be crucial in determining the election.

Therefore overnight polling favors Trump and he seeks to claim the win however the result moves towards Biden once all votes are counted. Trump uses this fact to claim a conspiracy and that the "deep state" saw him winning a second term and denied it to him. If this occurs I don't know how bad the repercussions could be.

My worry is that some trump flunky or foreign nation floods say Pittsburgh and Milwaukee with thousands of fake ballots. While technically the fake ballots can be rooted out and tossed, the process will take months and in the meantime Trump lawyers up, finds crazeballs right wing judges to toss out enough urban ballots in WI PA MI to flip those states back.

In other words, Trump's people will cause fraud, intending to be caught, with the intention of throwing the entire election into doubt.

But of course Trump will not order anyone to do anything...he's a wise mob boss.

Trump's strategy is to win the same states he won last time. He can afford to lose two of the smaller states and still hang on. I think they's given up on Michigan.

I believe this election will be more binary than 2016.

In 2016, Hillary got 66 million votes to Trump's 63 million, but he obviously won almost all of the close states to grab 100% of each of their electoral votes.

Also, Gary Johnson and Jill Stein had a combined 6 million votes (4.5 M for Johnson, 1.5 M for Stein).

I think all of the liberal Jill Stein voters are going with Biden.

And Gary Johnson voters are never Trumpers and Lincoln Project people. I believe they're voting for Biden this time. At least these are all up for grabs.

Trump is not gaining anyone.

Now, I do think there will be more white trash voting than last time which does favor him, but in what states and how many?

Lets's look at some 2016 results:

PA: Trump beat Hillary by 44,292 votes. Johnson and Stein had a combined 196,656 votes.

MI: Trump beat Hillary by 10,704 votes. Johnson and Stein had a combined 223,599 votes.

WI: Trump beat Hillary by 22,748 votes. Johnson and Stein had a combined 137,746 votes.

FL: Trump beat Hillary by 112,911 votes. Johnson and Stein had a combined 271,442 votes.

AZ: Trump beat Hillary by 91,234 votes. Johnson and Stein had a combined 140,672 votes.

NC: Trump beat Hillary by 173,315 votes. Johnson and Stein had a combined 142,231 votes plus there were 47,386 write-in votes (most people did not for for Trump in NC).

So, not only did Trump win the overall election with only 46% of the popular vote, but he had less than 50% of the vote in several individual states that he won.

I believe this was the Hillary affect. A lot of liberals and Democrats were not gung-ho on Hillary and threw a vote for Stein as a protest vote.

Many conservatives and moderates couldn't stand Trump or Hillary and voted for Johnson.

Anyone think Trump has won those people over in the last four years?

Trump and Hillary only got 94% of the total vote.

I think it will be closer to 99% this time between Trump and Biden. Symbolic counter votes aren't happening.

Who's gaining the difference in the swing states?

Yep. Trump would get crushed even if he receives similar help from Putin (which IS happening), but we know he's going to meddle directly in his election this time. And once the results are called into question it's already over for Biden.

I've noticed something of late, that has given me pause for concern. I just don't see very many Trump flags or signs in peoples yards or on cars these days. Now, silly me wants to think it's because people are wising up. But I fear it might be more of people backing away from their open support while still planning to vote Trump in November.

Rationally, Trump BARELY won the election in 2016. Based on the direction of our country, how could there possibly be more people voting for him in 2 months? He's going to lose the popular vote by a landslide, but could he still win enough states to win the election? That's what he's hoping for I'm sure. Just can't see it. I'll take a Biden win by any margin, but this country needs to send him and anybody else who supports him a message. He needs to lose in a historic landslide.

CircusClowns wrote:

Based on the direction of our country, how could there possibly be more people voting for him (Trump) in 2 months?

I don't see that either.

But I do see what agip is saying.

There may be Trump supporters intentionally sending in a bunch of fake ballots to muck up the system. It doesn't matter if those votes get thrown out.

The intention is not to win but to make people have distrust in the results if Biden wins.

I spend a lot of time in Maryland and Pennsylvania. I've seen one Biden sign, which was in Maryland, and about 15 Trump signs (mostly in Pennsylvania, but some in Maryland too).

My theories:

1) Trump is a lot more popular than most people want to believe

2) Trump supporters are much more enthusiastic than Biden voters, and most Biden voters don't actually like Biden but prefer him as president instead of Trump.

1) I agree that Trump is a lot more popular than I for sure want to believe. I can't see how an American can possibly support this amoral, corrupt, dictator wannabe, so any level of popularity is more than I can actually believe.

2) I disagree that Trump supporters are more enthusiastic than Biden voters. Biden just beat Trump in the TV ratings for their respective conventions, and Trump's Oklahoma rally was a HUGE bust. Also, just too many people who voted for Trump in 2016 who now say they are going to vote for Biden. Only the dumbest of the dumb continue to support Trump.

Now, I DO think Trump will do anything he can to be declared the winner of this election, and that will include breaking the law. I don't think he will get away with it though.

CircusClowns wrote:

Based on the direction of our country, how could there possibly be more people voting for him in 2 months? .

the economy is rebounding quickly

the virus is fading

vaccines may be available in November

riots may help Rs in some way.

Biden could have a disastrous event, such as catching COVID or having a bad debate.

an international incident that gathers people around the flag

The power of incumbency is always strong.

I could go on.

agip wrote:

CircusClowns wrote:

Based on the direction of our country, how could there possibly be more people voting for him in 2 months? .

the economy is rebounding quickly

the virus is fading

vaccines may be available in November

riots may help Rs in some way.

Biden could have a disastrous event, such as catching COVID or having a bad debate.

an international incident that gathers people around the flag

The power of incumbency is always strong.

I could go on.

Hmm...

1) The markets are rebounding. I'm not sure I would say the economy is rebounding quickly.

2) Too early to say the virus is fading in any significant way. Colleges are now having big infection rates.

3) A vaccine in November (which won't happen anyway -- not in a way that it is widely available for us to get) is too late to help Trump in any way.

4) Civil unrest helps the person who is not in power.

5) Catching the coronavirus would be bad for Biden. Because of his age he could die. He needs to be alive to win. He COULD have a disastrous debate, but the bar is pretty low. Americans don't want Trump. If Biden looks at all like he has in recent interviews, it will be successful for him. I'm still not sure Trump will show up for a debate. We will see.

6) There COULD be an international event that makes people rally around Trump. Hard to envision what that could be, but wild possibilities are endless.

7) Incumbency is a point in Trump's favor. Allan Lichtman's 13 keys address that, and Lichtman has predicted that despite that, Biden will win the election.

The only real threat is cheating on a level that surpasses what Trump has already done.

Wish I shared your optimism, but your predictions about 45 haven't been great.

Flagpole wrote:

Our national nightmare is about to end.

CountChocula wrote:

I spend a lot of time in Maryland and Pennsylvania. I've seen one Biden sign, which was in Maryland, and about 15 Trump signs (mostly in Pennsylvania, but some in Maryland too).

My theories:

1) Trump is a lot more popular than most people want to believe

2) Trump supporters are much more enthusiastic than Biden voters, and most Biden voters don't actually like Biden but prefer him as president instead of Trump.

How about:

3)Biden supporters don't like sticking political signs in their yard.

Do you have a Biden sign in your yard?

I am an enthusiastic Biden supporter and I don't have a Biden sign or shirts or hats. And I'm not getting any.

I'm in Maryland. It's going for Biden without people putting up any signs. And I do see more Trump signs in Maryland, but he ain't winning here.

I don't talk about Biden on Facebook because I keep politics out of my interactions with friends.

Trump fans are more rabid but they are not more plentiful.

I was in a very swingy state recently and saw many more Biden signs than Trump signs.

it's just not a good tell of anything.

friendojamin wrote:

Wish I shared your optimism, but your predictions about 45 haven't been great.

Flagpole wrote:

Our national nightmare is about to end.

His predictions about ANYTHING haven't been great. Flagpole is the anti-Nostradomus though I am sure Nostradomus would not want to be associated with Flagpole.

Bidenman Pincher wrote:

https://streamable.com/ok7i21?fbclid=IwAR3Ss6dqLkmQPPH-KpkRIzrDN8O52K9sJSJo1OcspEVsR-hAEbbS8LaJFKM

Wow. That is beyond creepy. Assaulting women like Tara Reade is one thing but molesting young girls takes it many levels beyond that. Joe Biden has no business running for president. He is creepier than that Subway guy, Jared.

friendojamin wrote:

Wish I shared your optimism, but your predictions about 45 haven't been great.

Flagpole wrote:

Our national nightmare is about to end.

You can count on the opposite outcome from a ?pole prediction.

Massive surge for Trump. He has come up from an 8 point deficit to tie Dementia Joe in PA. This poll shows 27% of blacks in Pennsylvania supporting Trump- yuuuuuuge.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/pennsylvania_trump_46_biden_46

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