Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

Trollminator wrote:

Perch wrote:

Hey, look, USA TODAY issued a correction to their claim that Biden only checked his watch AFTER the ceremony was complete. Turns out he did it multiple times DURING the ceremony. What do you think now Trollminator, various, Trump Guy (especially you) and others who flamed me. Some of you owe the gold star families an apology (looking at you Trollminator).

Here’s the USA TODAY “correction.” “ "Corrections & Clarifications: This story was updated Sept. 2 to note that Biden checked his watch multiple times at the dignified transfer event, including during the ceremony itself”

Look at me all you want

1. Did I once say he didn't look at his watch? Share my post if so

2. What I said and will keep saying is: "OMG, our super busy POTUS looked at his watch!!! RESIGN RESIGN IMPEACH IMPEACH" "OMG Biden moved his left pinky - ah WW3!!!"

3. USA Today has the integrity to correct themselves when they have messed up. Does right wing media ever?

Perch wrote:

nonequals wrote:

"Simpleton" (you). "Idiot" (me). Blame to go around, there, but you didn't notice that.

Kirby was talking about stuff at the part of (north) HKIA where our troops were and from where we were evacuating. And, notably, he was talking about a time period AFTER the Afghan government had fallen. He wasn't talking about ALL ANSF equipment in the country, and he wasn't talking about having done it BEFORE the country fell.

I'm fine on the news. You ought to pay closer attention.

Backing up, it sucks that the Taliban got lots of useful stuff. And they surely did. That was primarily the fault of the Afghans (who failed to capitalize on 20 years of massive support), and secondarily the fault of the U.S. and other allies who may have gotten this support of an Afghan government/military thing very much wrong over 20 years. That's a big issue that will be analyzed and discussed for decades, of course.

What it wasn't, as the initial post suggested, was proof that Biden was somehow dumber than Trump (which is almost literally impossible) because the Taliban were flying a Blackhawk (and yes, that won't last for long.....maintenance and parts [not to mention pilot competence] are a b*****).

Oh, I noticed. Just responding in kind.

I mostly agree with the rest of your post. I wouldn't blame the Afghanis as much as you do though. Afghanis are well known for having little loyalty and changing allegiances on a whim. The US should have known better. Plenty of blame for military leaders, intelligence analysts and national security analysts.

I doubt either Biden or Trump are Mensa material.

nonequals wrote:

Perch wrote:

Oh, I noticed. Just responding in kind.

I mostly agree with the rest of your post. I wouldn't blame the Afghanis as much as you do though. Afghanis are well known for having little loyalty and changing allegiances on a whim. The US should have known better. Plenty of blame for military leaders, intelligence analysts and national security analysts.

I doubt either Biden or Trump are Mensa material.

I have no problem criticizing the U.S. and the allies regarding stuff in AFG. I have and will do it plenty. And I saw some of it first-hand in 3 tours there.

However, I do think that the Afghans are getting a bit of a soft treatment in the last few weeks. Both the citizens and the leaders knew what they had waiting for them if they didn't make it work. And despite massive assistance, they didn't make it work. Too many were too corrupt. Too many didn't show up for work or work hard enough. Too many didn't stand up forcefully against the corruption. And now they have the Taliban again (and yes, I know that many of the most corrupt rich folks have escaped). On the one hand, of course, does any kid deserve that? No. Do the women deserve that? No. Did the average citizen have much control over the course of events? No.

But in the end, as cruel as it may seem, a country (or whatever kind of collection of people you're talking about) is responsible for it's choices and influencing and choosing its future. Again, not to say that I shouldn't or won't feel sympathy about stories about life sucking under the Taliban in AFG. But my sympathy will be less than it would have been - especially for men - given that they failed to take advantage of the chance they were given.

Perch wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

There is no narrative I care about except the truth. Biden was not against the raid. He only wanted to wait for a little more intelligence. Nobody who was there at the time disputes those facts as the truth.

But people like you enjoy twisting the truth and making up lies.

I’ve quoted two different sources that confirm that when put on the spot Biden said “Don’t go” yet you insist he wasn’t against the raid. You care nothing about the truth. The truth is slapping you in the face. You only care about your political views. Like I said earlier, thank goodness Obama knew what a dork Biden is and ignored him.

Maybe you should ask Politico and FactCheck why they are “twisting the truth.” Argue with them, I’m tired of arguing with idiots.

Fat hurts wrote:

Perch wrote:

I’ve quoted two different sources that confirm that when put on the spot Biden said “Don’t go” yet you insist he wasn’t against the raid. You care nothing about the truth. The truth is slapping you in the face. You only care about your political views. Like I said earlier, thank goodness Obama knew what a dork Biden is and ignored him.

Maybe you should ask Politico and FactCheck why they are “twisting the truth.” Argue with them, I’m tired of arguing with idiots.

Biden was not against the raid. He only wanted to wait for a little more intelligence. "Don't go" was part of him saying "Don't go now". Nobody who was there at the time disputes those facts as the truth.

But people like you enjoy twisting the truth and making up lies.

Perch wrote:

nonequals wrote:

I have no problem criticizing the U.S. and the allies regarding stuff in AFG. I have and will do it plenty. And I saw some of it first-hand in 3 tours there.

However, I do think that the Afghans are getting a bit of a soft treatment in the last few weeks. Both the citizens and the leaders knew what they had waiting for them if they didn't make it work. And despite massive assistance, they didn't make it work. Too many were too corrupt. Too many didn't show up for work or work hard enough. Too many didn't stand up forcefully against the corruption. And now they have the Taliban again (and yes, I know that many of the most corrupt rich folks have escaped). On the one hand, of course, does any kid deserve that? No. Do the women deserve that? No. Did the average citizen have much control over the course of events? No.

But in the end, as cruel as it may seem, a country (or whatever kind of collection of people you're talking about) is responsible for it's choices and influencing and choosing its future. Again, not to say that I shouldn't or won't feel sympathy about stories about life sucking under the Taliban in AFG. But my sympathy will be less than it would have been - especially for men - given that they failed to take advantage of the chance they were given.

As before, I agree for the most part. Plenty of blame to go around. Certainly the Afghanis bear a good share. The war should have ended long ago. Obama and Trump bear blame for not ending it sooner. Credit to Biden for ending it, just not how he ended it.

Thanks for your service.

Perch wrote:

nonequals wrote:

I have no problem criticizing the U.S. and the allies regarding stuff in AFG. I have and will do it plenty. And I saw some of it first-hand in 3 tours there.

However, I do think that the Afghans are getting a bit of a soft treatment in the last few weeks. Both the citizens and the leaders knew what they had waiting for them if they didn't make it work. And despite massive assistance, they didn't make it work. Too many were too corrupt. Too many didn't show up for work or work hard enough. Too many didn't stand up forcefully against the corruption. And now they have the Taliban again (and yes, I know that many of the most corrupt rich folks have escaped). On the one hand, of course, does any kid deserve that? No. Do the women deserve that? No. Did the average citizen have much control over the course of events? No.

But in the end, as cruel as it may seem, a country (or whatever kind of collection of people you're talking about) is responsible for it's choices and influencing and choosing its future. Again, not to say that I shouldn't or won't feel sympathy about stories about life sucking under the Taliban in AFG. But my sympathy will be less than it would have been - especially for men - given that they failed to take advantage of the chance they were given.

As before, I agree for the most part. Plenty of blame to go around. Certainly the Afghanis bear a good share. The war should have ended long ago. Obama and Trump bear blame for not ending it sooner. Credit to Biden for ending it, just not how he ended it.

Thanks for your service.