Robert Young fakes run across America

On mine?

The other ultra boy wrote:

Ultraboy wrote:

On the plus side it means it's released on my birthday.

And of course mine

doubler wrote:

...and while it would result in a ridiculous amount of traffic, it would be a douchey move to release it early.

Good move not releasing it early. That's why your site is awesome.

Also, ask yourself WWMRD?

EZPass Mike wrote:

doubler wrote:

...and while it would result in a ridiculous amount of traffic, it would be a douchey move to release it early.

Good move not releasing it early. That's why your site is awesome.

Also, ask yourself WWMRD?

What Would Michael Rogers Do? Take EPO of course.

Dr. Obvious wrote:

EZPass Mike wrote:

Good move not releasing it early. That's why your site is awesome.

Also, ask yourself WWMRD?

What Would Michael Rogers Do? Take EPO of course.

Please.

THE MR. He walks like a duck and cheats like a Rossi. He is Mike Rossi.

I will show my hawt ta-ta's to the first person to leak the report for download.

team1.kml wrote:

Investigator wrote:

The screenshot posted shows cadence vs. "session". Presumably, most sessions included both some RV riding and some running. Hence, the low averages. If one "session" was 4 hours long, and contained 1 hour of running at 180 and 3 hours of riding at 0, then the cadence for that session would be 45 (180 + 0 + 0 + 0 / 4).

Also, it may be likely that with no good cadence signal to latch on to, the watch detects some bumps on the road and such and still reports a minimal cadence in the RV. That is pure conjecture though.

That's what I would have guessed, that the cadence sensor and algorithm have a hard time distinguishing between signal and noise when the signal it is expecting is so different than what it is detecting. A big hulking RV is going to have some wobble going on anyway, and that could be picked up as signal.

This makes sense. Thanks to both of you.

Anybody with a report, this question is with respect to Michael and the written logs. Is Michael implicated strongly (signed many blatant cheat segments) or weakly (was apparently sleeping during RY rides) in the cheating?

Brianruns10 wrote:

Jim Vaz wrote:

Assuming they're guilty of cheating, have any criminal offences been committed?

I'm no lawyer so my opinion is worth about zilch, but it sure seems to me he's committed fraud...namely securing money and resources under false pretenses, and delivering results that were fraudulently obtained.

He's DEFINITELY opened himself up to some major liabilities in a civil court of law given the damage he's done to Skins (assuming the majority of the Skins leadership were unaware of RY's intent to cheat).

However, this joker doesn't have much in the way of personal resources, so I wouldn't be surprised if nothing comes about. I mean, RY's career and source of income is basically gone now, along with any reputation he may have had. For a public figure, that's about the severest punishment you can receive.

On the flip side, SKINS could get a lot of publicity out of this... perhaps more than if RY had broken the US Transcon record. And for their part, they are (presumably) taking moral high ground so it might be pretty good PR. I don't think this was necessarily intentional, but it works for them.

Also, for those who have seen the report, does it delve into his questionable past at all? For example, his supposed PRs? Obviously, someone who has shown a propensity to cheat like Rob and who's whole claim to fame is based upon supposed world record number of consecutive marathons (based on nothing more than his word), everything he has done or claims to have done should be examined. Does the report draw any conclusions like "based upon the evidence uncovered in our investigation, further scrutiny into all of Robert Young's previous record claims is warranted".

Would the Mount Rushmore of Cheaters now be: Rosie Ruiz, Litton, Rossi and Robert Young?

I posted a new thread but it got accidently bumped into the high school section - but the website should reserve a locked thread right under the Carolina runner thread up top listing all the disgraced letsrun-discovered cheaters with a link to the threads that outed them. A rogues gallery.

RY reader wrote:

Anybody with a report, this question is with respect to Michael and the written logs. Is Michael implicated strongly (signed many blatant cheat segments) or weakly (was apparently sleeping during RY rides) in the cheating?

Michael and Dustin are both completely complicit. RY cheated for hundreds of miles. There is no possible way either of them could claim they didn't know what was going on. Skins had said on their blog that Michael was in charge of uploading data. He had to go out of his way to post only blurry Facebook images instead of releasing the data in the normal fashion by simply making one click to upload.

Dirk Diggler.. wrote:

Would the Mount Rushmore of Cheaters now be: Rosie Ruiz, Litton, Rossi and Robert Young?

I posted a new thread but it got accidently bumped into the high school section - but the website should reserve a locked thread right under the Carolina runner thread up top listing all the disgraced letsrun-discovered cheaters with a link to the threads that outed them. A rogues gallery.

Rossi doesn't deserve to be there. He cheated in one marathon and maybe one 5k. If he wasn't a self-promoting douche, we would have never known about it. His cheating fame far outweighs his cheating performance. There have been several serial cheaters outed at marathoninvestigation.com in the past few months who blow Rossi away in their cheating performance.

Kip is the master, the Babe Ruth of cheaters. Rosie Ruiz was a pioneer and 'won' the most famous marathon. They are on there.

Other than those, I don't know. Rob Young makes a pretty good case, but his case is a bit more complex because it's cheating on an obscure record rather than clear course-cutting in a race.

CB had a good run but we haven't talked about her in years. The girl who 'won' St Louis a year or two ago gets major points for winning and for cheating to get third the previous year, but she disappeared pretty fast.

There have been some others over the years who would get hall of fame votes, but nobody jumps out as an all-time legend who would get on Mt Rushmore.

I wonder when the deception started. How far into his run did RY realise he would fail miserably or was it pre-planned beforehand?

I wonder when the deception started. How far into his run did RY realise he would fail miserably or was it pre-planned beforehand?

I think he's always been a fraud.

I would guess the lies started, well, at the start -- when he claims to have bet his gf he could run a marathon. He ran one before work, worked a full day, and then ran another that evening, all without ever training and being a self-described couch potato who hadn't been running at all. I think that's the myth he's been selling, someone else may know more details.

Based on the chart linked earlier, it seems the cheating on the TransCon started right away, unless I'm reading it wrong. None of those early 70 mile days were legit.

Good analysis, Elephino, on the top 4 cheaters. RY has to be considered a Rushmore candidate because he even published a book about his cheating and managed to procure endorsements and live a life as a celebrity athlete all based on cheating, even though his running claims are not even sub-elite.

RY reader wrote:

Anybody with a report, this question is with respect to Michael and the written logs. Is Michael implicated strongly (signed many blatant cheat segments) or weakly (was apparently sleeping during RY rides) in the cheating?

There is no implication in the report for Michael. There is a full transcript of his interview, in which he denies knowledge of any wrongdoing. He goes on to say Rob was in charge of all data collection. He also says he never saw Rob ride in the RV.

triathleteguru wrote:

Also, for those who have seen the report, does it delve into his questionable past at all? For example, his supposed PRs? Obviously, someone who has shown a propensity to cheat like Rob and who's whole claim to fame is based upon supposed world record number of consecutive marathons (based on nothing more than his word), everything he has done or claims to have done should be examined. Does the report draw any conclusions like "based upon the evidence uncovered in our investigation, further scrutiny into all of Robert Young's previous record claims is warranted".

It mentions some of this, but states that trying to analyse the past performances of a runner would be much more subjective than sticking to the hard data. They have plenty with the hard data from the TomTom watches to crucify RY.

( AM Sydney is 7 PM EDT correct?

I'm late to the release date game do the BrosJo have it?

Run4Sausages2016 wrote:

I wonder when the deception started. How far into his run did RY realise he would fail miserably or was it pre-planned beforehand?

I think he's always been a fraud.

I would guess the lies started, well, at the start -- when he claims to have bet his gf he could run a marathon. He ran one before work, worked a full day, and then ran another that evening, all without ever training and being a self-described couch potato who hadn't been running at all. I think that's the myth he's been selling, someone else may know more details.

To me, one of the most fascinating parts to come out in this thread was how his start on a bet was premeditated. He created his organization the first or second day of his couch potato on a bet running. And he changed the order of his amazing couch potato on a bet marathons between his public facebook posts and his book. And it turned out he was trying to make a living doing endurance feats for charity years before that bet.