I seem to recall that the OP Asher Delmott is due a inauguration to the Letsrun Hall Of Fame.
Obviously Rob Young joins Rossi, Kip, Jill Greathouse, William Jurena and a cast of many others in the Letsrun Hall of Infamy
I seem to recall that the OP Asher Delmott is due a inauguration to the Letsrun Hall Of Fame.
Obviously Rob Young joins Rossi, Kip, Jill Greathouse, William Jurena and a cast of many others in the Letsrun Hall of Infamy
Can someone repost that "Driven" meme again? I can't find it.
I hope that idiot Dustin gets some too.
Jim Vaz wrote:
Assuming they're guilty of cheating, have any criminal offences been committed?
I'm no lawyer so my opinion is worth about zilch, but it sure seems to me he's committed fraud...namely securing money and resources under false pretenses, and delivering results that were fraudulently obtained.
He's DEFINITELY opened himself up to some major liabilities in a civil court of law given the damage he's done to Skins (assuming the majority of the Skins leadership were unaware of RY's intent to cheat).
However, this joker doesn't have much in the way of personal resources, so I wouldn't be surprised if nothing comes about. I mean, RY's career and source of income is basically gone now, along with any reputation he may have had. For a public figure, that's about the severest punishment you can receive.
Derek B wrote:
I hope that idiot Dustin gets some too.
Michael was interviewed and denied all knowledge.
Dustin did not attend the scheduled interview.
Derek B wrote:
I hope that idiot Dustin gets some too.
Was he the guy who wore that dopey neck chain?
seeker of justice wrote:
The more I think about this embargo the more it doesn't pass the smell test.
The Skins promote their company as being for fairness in sports, integrity. Yet they employed a cheater and a fraud. (Rob Young and their own employee that rode along). Now they have instituted an embargo so they can have the report released with the biggest bang to further their publicity and get their name out?
They are trying to profit from their own internal cheating.
Release the report!
If your main aim is to see RY publicly go down in flames, not just for this run but for the whole rotten story he's spun since the beginning, then releasing the report to the press and giving them a couple of days to pull a story together is totally the best thing. In the UK the Sunday papers are where the big stories come out on the tabloid end, and in the quality papers they have more scope for longer articles.
"here's a graph of cadence data" is less of a story for 99% of people than "running star's tangled web of lies exposed, and here's a tearful confession interview with him, and the head of the sports company that turned from being his biggest backer to exposing his lies".
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
I seem to recall that the OP Asher Delmott is due a inauguration to the Letsrun Hall Of Fame.
Obviously Rob Young joins Rossi, Kip, Jill Greathouse, William Jurena and a cast of many others in the Letsrun Hall of Infamy
Anyone in the future who busts a cheater should be referred to as an "Asher Delmott". This is a term of the highest respect.
A statue to Asher Delmott wrote:
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:I seem to recall that the OP Asher Delmott is due a inauguration to the Letsrun Hall Of Fame.
Obviously Rob Young joins Rossi, Kip, Jill Greathouse, William Jurena and a cast of many others in the Letsrun Hall of Infamy
Anyone in the future who busts a cheater should be referred to as an "Asher Delmott". This is a term of the highest respect.
Anybody busted for cheating will have been "Delmotted"
insider info wrote:
Derek B wrote:I hope that idiot Dustin gets some too.
Michael was interviewed and denied all knowledge.
Dustin did not attend the scheduled interview.
If Michael Speichter doesn't get fired by Skins for his role in this scam, Jaimie Fuller has no integrity. Absolutely none.
seeker of justice wrote:
The more I think about this embargo the more it doesn't pass the smell test.
The Skins promote their company as being for fairness in sports, integrity. Yet they employed a cheater and a fraud. (Rob Young and their own employee that rode along). Now they have instituted an embargo so they can have the report released with the biggest bang to further their publicity and get their name out?
They are trying to profit from their own internal cheating.
Release the report!
This is totally wrong. Rob Young conned them out of a lot of money. They spent more investigating him when they didn't have to (those experts aren't cheap). They're going to publicly expose RY as a fraud. Why shouldn't they get some benefit from the money they spent on the investigation (after being conned into sponsoring a cross country fraud) - and why shouldn't they publicize their findings as effectively as possible?
I don't see any reason for us to distrust their motives here. a two day delay won't change anything. relax.
Konami Code wrote:
seeker of justice wrote:The more I think about this embargo the more it doesn't pass the smell test.
The Skins promote their company as being for fairness in sports, integrity. Yet they employed a cheater and a fraud. (Rob Young and their own employee that rode along). Now they have instituted an embargo so they can have the report released with the biggest bang to further their publicity and get their name out?
They are trying to profit from their own internal cheating.
Release the report!
This is totally wrong. Rob Young conned them out of a lot of money. They spent more investigating him when they didn't have to (those experts aren't cheap). They're going to publicly expose RY as a fraud. Why shouldn't they get some benefit from the money they spent on the investigation (after being conned into sponsoring a cross country fraud) - and why shouldn't they publicize their findings as effectively as possible?
I don't see any reason for us to distrust their motives here. a two day delay won't change anything. relax.
On the plus side it means it's released on my birthday.
Konami Code wrote:
seeker of justice wrote:The more I think about this embargo the more it doesn't pass the smell test.
The Skins promote their company as being for fairness in sports, integrity. Yet they employed a cheater and a fraud. (Rob Young and their own employee that rode along). Now they have instituted an embargo so they can have the report released with the biggest bang to further their publicity and get their name out?
They are trying to profit from their own internal cheating.
Release the report!
This is totally wrong. Rob Young conned them out of a lot of money. They spent more investigating him when they didn't have to (those experts aren't cheap). They're going to publicly expose RY as a fraud. Why shouldn't they get some benefit from the money they spent on the investigation (after being conned into sponsoring a cross country fraud) - and why shouldn't they publicize their findings as effectively as possible?
I don't see any reason for us to distrust their motives here. a two day delay won't change anything. relax.
Your line of reasoning is fine. Except that one of skins own employees was in on the scam riding in the RV.
Roberto de Youngenstein wrote:
Konami Code wrote:This is totally wrong. Rob Young conned them out of a lot of money. They spent more investigating him when they didn't have to (those experts aren't cheap). They're going to publicly expose RY as a fraud. Why shouldn't they get some benefit from the money they spent on the investigation (after being conned into sponsoring a cross country fraud) - and why shouldn't they publicize their findings as effectively as possible?
I don't see any reason for us to distrust their motives here. a two day delay won't change anything. relax.
Your line of reasoning is fine. Except that one of skins own employees was in on the scam riding in the RV.
I hardly think some low-level dipsh!t being in on the scam (and I am assuming Skins has dealt with him appropriately) should change any of our conclusions about Skins, particularly with respect to the two day delay.
Ultraboy wrote:
On the plus side it means it's released on my birthday.
And of course mine
The other ultra boy wrote:
=€#€=€=€=€=£!&'* ( wrote:Just curious, why is the cadence low instead of zero if he was riding in the RV? Is it possible he was riding the bike?
Or walking around in the rv
That would be a lot of walking around in a small RV to register a low cadence. Honestly just curious, why wasn't the cadence registering zero?
bumpy road? holding on to the roof of the RV for dear life?
=€#€=€=€=€=£!&'* ( wrote:
The other ultra boy wrote:Or walking around in the rv
That would be a lot of walking around in a small RV to register a low cadence. Honestly just curious, why wasn't the cadence registering zero?
=€#€=€=€=€=£!&'* ( wrote:
That would be a lot of walking around in a small RV to register a low cadence. Honestly just curious, why wasn't the cadence registering zero?
They attached the watch to the wheels of the RV to simulate cadence. Big wheels going at running speeds mean low cadence.
I've been 100% convinced he cheated and this was a scam since June. I don't have a TomTom watch or use cadence. I'm just trying to figure out how the cadence registered anything. Does the watch measure cadence by armswing? Or is there a footpod? How sensitive is the device that measures it?
=€#€=€=€=€=£!&'* ( wrote:
I've been 100% convinced he cheated and this was a scam since June. I don't have a TomTom watch or use cadence. I'm just trying to figure out how the cadence registered anything. Does the watch measure cadence by armswing? Or is there a footpod? How sensitive is the device that measures it?
Cadence is measured by the sinusoidal wave regression of the peak accelerations the watch measures. Ergo, a slow rotating wheel gives the same cadence triggers as if the watch is on a runner. There is no foot pod.