This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Ghandi badly damaged her reputation months ago by trying to pretend that the US doesn't 'recognize' natural immunity. Major tilting at windmills. Nothing I said was remotely close to 'libel' under US laws (opinions are, of course, protected speech -- move to China if you don't like that, bud).
The thread you linked just lays out a host of immune principles that largely apply to both infection and vaccine driven immunity. It's a good primer. It doesn't say anything about the relatively superiority (and is from ~2021 so any claims would be outdated).
Ironic that Ghandi is extremely pro vaccine and recently posted the following paper, for example, showing that vaccines are strongly associated with reduced risk of 'long COVID' symptoms. Natural immunity destroyed again.
You've accidentally aligned yourself with someone who thinks everyone should get the vax. You're one of us. Welcome, brother.
First of all, that’s exactly what I called it, “a primer.” It’s just a good basic immunology review, both that induced by infection and injection. I invited “Anti-vaxxers killing Democracy” to dissect it & break it down instead of you because I knew he was incapable. And, unable to refuse to hear yourself talk, here you are doing it for him like clockwork. How predictable. Good job saving him though.
Also, on p. 494, you literally wrote: “The policies Gandhi advocated for would have led to 100k+ additional American deaths. But hey, what she says 'just makes sense, bro.'”
Ok, what specific policies are you referring to? Specifically? Because, as you said, she is a vaccine proponent. Interesting that she’s just tilting at windmills since you yourself think Djokovic’s natural immunity predicament is “hilarious.”
Oh, and it’s Gandhi, not Ghandi. So you would misrepresent her and the spelling of her name.
Natural immunity is definitely not destroyed. In fact, it’s very much here to stay, laugh out loud.
Inviting our homeboy to paraphrase an immunology primer is not a useful pedagogical exercise. I appreciate it though.
Gandhi (Ty for correction) was on the record against “lockdowns” quite strongly despite the vast majority of the US (even her hometown) not enforcing a stay at home order -at all. It’s quite clear the mitigating early disease spread saved a lot of lives. She also very much downplayed the risk of variants pre-delta which was clearly harmful. Plenty of people passed on the vaccine because people told them there was no future risk and then… died of Delta. Theres a line to thread between “panic” and “minimize” and she fell too much on the “minimize” side which unfortunately also is the “many extra dead Americans” side.
However, I’m extremely favorable on her vaccine views. She’s highly rational and correct there: vaccines are very effective and everyone should get them.
Inviting our homeboy to paraphrase an immunology primer is not a useful pedagogical exercise. I appreciate it though.
Gandhi (Ty for correction) was on the record against “lockdowns” quite strongly despite the vast majority of the US (even her hometown) not enforcing a stay at home order -at all. It’s quite clear the mitigating early disease spread saved a lot of lives. She also very much downplayed the risk of variants pre-delta which was clearly harmful. Plenty of people passed on the vaccine because people told them there was no future risk and then… died of Delta. Theres a line to thread between “panic” and “minimize” and she fell too much on the “minimize” side which unfortunately also is the “many extra dead Americans” side.
However, I’m extremely favorable on her vaccine views. She’s highly rational and correct there: vaccines are very effective and everyone should get them.
Bro, let’s be clear here. Gandhi wasn’t minimizing the risk of VOCs. What she was merely saying was that if you were a convalescent patient or you were vaccinated or both (and she advocated for hybrid immunity), you had a degree of protection against VOCs. If you had neither, then you were vulnerable. Delta was most dangerous for people who had no kind of immunity.
Inviting our homeboy to paraphrase an immunology primer is not a useful pedagogical exercise. I appreciate it though.
Gandhi (Ty for correction) was on the record against “lockdowns” quite strongly despite the vast majority of the US (even her hometown) not enforcing a stay at home order -at all. It’s quite clear the mitigating early disease spread saved a lot of lives. She also very much downplayed the risk of variants pre-delta which was clearly harmful. Plenty of people passed on the vaccine because people told them there was no future risk and then… died of Delta. Theres a line to thread between “panic” and “minimize” and she fell too much on the “minimize” side which unfortunately also is the “many extra dead Americans” side.
However, I’m extremely favorable on her vaccine views. She’s highly rational and correct there: vaccines are very effective and everyone should get them.
Bro, let’s be clear here. Gandhi wasn’t minimizing the risk of VOCs. What she was merely saying was that if you were a convalescent patient or you were vaccinated or both (and she advocated for hybrid immunity), you had a degree of protection against VOCs. If you had neither, then you were vulnerable. Delta was most dangerous for people who had no kind of immunity.
Yes she was. Was was far too lax on the potential risks. The message is "vaccines work, get your vaccine, stay updated on boosters, and you'll be safe." Not "herd immunity is here, COVID is over." Deadly advice!
Since I last checked this thread. The anti-vaxxers have only seen more and more contradictory evidence for their worldview. Yet they persist: malice? stupidity? who knows.
Inviting our homeboy to paraphrase an immunology primer is not a useful pedagogical exercise. I appreciate it though.
Gandhi (Ty for correction) was on the record against “lockdowns” quite strongly despite the vast majority of the US (even her hometown) not enforcing a stay at home order -at all. It’s quite clear the mitigating early disease spread saved a lot of lives. She also very much downplayed the risk of variants pre-delta which was clearly harmful. Plenty of people passed on the vaccine because people told them there was no future risk and then… died of Delta. Theres a line to thread between “panic” and “minimize” and she fell too much on the “minimize” side which unfortunately also is the “many extra dead Americans” side.
However, I’m extremely favorable on her vaccine views. She’s highly rational and correct there: vaccines are very effective and everyone should get them.
Bro, let’s be clear here. Gandhi wasn’t minimizing the risk of VOCs. What she was merely saying was that if you were a convalescent patient or you were vaccinated or both (and she advocated for hybrid immunity), you had a degree of protection against VOCs. If you had neither, then you were vulnerable. Delta was most dangerous for people who had no kind of immunity.
What is the evidence the jab gives any immunity at all?
Since I last checked this thread. The anti-vaxxers have only seen more and more contradictory evidence for their worldview. Yet they persist: malice? stupidity? who knows.
Vaccines greatly mitigate the appearance of autoimmune effects after COVID infection.
Autoantibody dynamics are remarkably stable in all vaccinated patients compared to COVID-19 patients that exhibit an increased prevalence of new autoantibody reactivities. Patients with vaccine-associated myocarditis do not have increased autoantibody reactivities relative to controls. In summary, our findings indicate that mRNA vaccines decouple SARS-CoV-2 immunity from autoantibody responses observed during acute COVID-19.
Whilst SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines have demonstrated efficacy in reducing infection severity, research has shown that SARS-CoV-2 infection is associated with new autoantibodies. Whether this would also be observed during mRNA va...
Yeah you’ve been saying that for 2 years… hasn’t happened, won’t happen
Happened, what hasn't happened is the vaxxers admitting it happened, which won't happen because it isn't about facts, objective reality, but rather religion to them. Just as in "Climate Change."
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Florida Surgeon General Joe Ladapo asked them a simple question. They ignored it, responded with a "safe and effective sales pitch," and accused him of spreading misinformation.
On February 15, 2023, Florida Surgeon General Joe Ladapo wrote a letter to the CDC and FDA asking them to explain why in Florida, there was an 18X increase in VAERS reports overall and a 45X increase in reports of life-threatening conditions after the COVID vaccines were rolled out. Since there was only a 5X increase in vaccine administration, why was there a disproportionately high response in the adverse event rates in VAERS?
Three weeks later, on March 10, the FDA/CDC wrote back a response that sounded like a “sales pitch” for the vaccine. They also criticized him for spreading vaccine misinformation (i.e., they tried to gaslight him).
The FDA/CDC didn’t even attempt to directly address his concerns in their response. They avoided the numbers he cited like the plague. They changed the topic instead of addressing his very legitimate concerns.
This just shows you how corrupt the top officials of both organizations are. They can’t answer simple questions without changing the subject.
Vaccines greatly mitigate the appearance of autoimmune effects after COVID infection.
Autoantibody dynamics are remarkably stable in all vaccinated patients compared to COVID-19 patients that exhibit an increased prevalence of new autoantibody reactivities. Patients with vaccine-associated myocarditis do not have increased autoantibody reactivities relative to controls. In summary, our findings indicate that mRNA vaccines decouple SARS-CoV-2 immunity from autoantibody responses observed during acute COVID-19.
Unvaxxed COVID patients now at lifetime risk for autoimmune issues: "at least I don't have mRNA inside me"
You almost have to laugh.
The "vaccines" cause the autoimmune disorders. Anyone can go back and see the antivaxxers warning about that years ago, probably in this very thread, long before the vaxxers couldn't hide the increase in V-AIDS ("Vaccine"-AIDS) and had to spin it as caused by Covid. As usual you gleefully slurp up whatever authority vomits out.
Unvaxxed COVID patients now at lifetime risk for autoimmune issues: "at least I don't have mRNA inside me"
You almost have to laugh.
The "vaccines" cause the autoimmune disorders. Anyone can go back and see the antivaxxers warning about that years ago, probably in this very thread, long before the vaxxers couldn't hide the increase in V-AIDS ("Vaccine"-AIDS) and had to spin it as caused by Covid. As usual you gleefully slurp up whatever authority vomits out.
This is progress. We knew this was bound to happen sooner or later. It has started and it is going to escalate from here. Watch Karl Lauterbach, Minister of Health in Germany, start the process.
The "vaccines" cause the autoimmune disorders. Anyone can go back and see the antivaxxers warning about that years ago, probably in this very thread, long before the vaxxers couldn't hide the increase in V-AIDS ("Vaccine"-AIDS) and had to spin it as caused by Covid. As usual you gleefully slurp up whatever authority vomits out.
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The Virus is my God is a parable set in the old west chronicling the medical tyranny we are facing today.
“Old Doc Brown” stands for all the physicians peddling the false narrative which the average person continues to follow blindly. The narrator opines, “You gotta trust the experts, or else you’re gonna pay.”
“Injun Joe” is the holistic healer that the authorities go after with impunity.
There are other aluusions to events taking place at the beginning when the lockdown was first instituted.
