youngrob wrote:
26.poo wrote:From what I've seen Holland is legit. A decent quality runner who races regularly but often seems like he picks events he knows he will win. Usually when the better runners are at the bigger events.
Holland is still defending Young and claiming he is innocent...
Is he? I haven't seen that.
I was basing his "legit-ness" purely on his running ability
Konami Code wrote:
https://twitter.com/scienceofsport/status/781506056358862848Sounds like all of the data will be released Sunday, and the report is now available to the media on an embargoed basis (not sure what those conditions are). I think we should politely contact writers who have covered the story to let them know they should reach out to skins now to get ready to publish.
This is ridiculous. They're embargoing it for more press coverage. They're making us message boarders salivate while the press gets to read through it. I understand that they want the coverage, but it makes me hate the brand even more. Brojos, give us the scoop.
Phil Knight wrote:
Konami Code wrote:https://twitter.com/scienceofsport/status/781506056358862848Sounds like all of the data will be released Sunday, and the report is now available to the media on an embargoed basis (not sure what those conditions are). I think we should politely contact writers who have covered the story to let them know they should reach out to skins now to get ready to publish.
This is ridiculous. They're embargoing it for more press coverage. They're making us message boarders salivate while the press gets to read through it. I understand that they want the coverage, but it makes me hate the brand even more. Brojos, give us the scoop.
Is this a typical maneuver by a company? Or is this something very odd and unusual? I honestly don't know how companies do press releases. Just curious.
And what happens if someone spills the proverbial beans? Are there fines and punishments? Or do they lose their press credentials? Or God forbid, not allowed to cover Skins again?
Any embargoes that I've been a part of have not used Twitter to advertise the embargoed information. We'd contact reporters that would be interested in the story directly and let them have a first crack at it. Advertising the report through Tucker and Pielke is a bit odd, but they did write it and can release it how they choose I suppose. It just screams of "hey, the findings are in, but instead of letting those that gathered the data and are really interested in it know the results we're going to try to get some advertising."
Maybe it means that they can't nail him with cheating fully, so they're letting some journalists write up summaries of the story to control the spin and rage? Who knows.
If it's a PR nightmare, don't they usually try to release it late on a Friday?
Any outcome won't be a PR nightmare for Skins. By getting Ross and Roger to do the report they're getting press for themselves and washing their hands of the dirty work of making a finding. They're releasing it today to try to get some press stories out there tomorrow.Even if Ross and Roger find that he didn't cheat, Skins just says "eh, we let the independent experts make the decision." Pretty smart.
HobbyJ wrote:
If it's a PR nightmare, don't they usually try to release it late on a Friday?
Phil Knight wrote:
Any embargoes that I've been a part of have not used Twitter to advertise the embargoed information. We'd contact reporters that would be interested in the story directly and let them have a first crack at it. Advertising the report through Tucker and Pielke is a bit odd, but they did write it and can release it how they choose I suppose. It just screams of "hey, the findings are in, but instead of letting those that gathered the data and are really interested in it know the results we're going to try to get some advertising."
Maybe it means that they can't nail him with cheating fully, so they're letting some journalists write up summaries of the story to control the spin and rage? Who knows.
Yeah I have a feeling this may end with something like "He may have cheated, but the evidence is not completely conclusive. SKINS looks forward to working with Multiple Guinness Record Holder Rob Young to continue to push boundaries and will make sure his endeavors are thoroughly documented going forward".
This report better not suck. Remember, I made this,
http://ryinvestigation.blogspot.com, in a couple weeks part-time from my mom's basement (with everyone's help here of course). I were one of these profs I'd be pretty concerned for my reputation if my report couldn't even find some of the smoking guns on that site. Supposedly they had full access to his TomTom data, which I can almost guarantee did not happen though. No way RY hands that over unadulterated.
the PR nightmare would be finding him innocent against the mounds of evidence.
easy to spin it for good PR if they say he's guilty by saying "see, we take ethics seriously and we are dropping this athlete."
Yeah I have a feeling this may end with something like "He may have cheated, but the evidence is not completely conclusive. SKINS looks forward to working with Multiple Guinness Record Holder Rob Young to continue to push boundaries and will make sure his endeavors are thoroughly documented going forward".
This report better not suck. Remember, I made this,
http://ryinvestigation.blogspot.com, in a couple weeks part-time from my mom's basement (with everyone's help here of course). I were one of these profs I'd be pretty concerned for my reputation if my report couldn't even find some of the smoking guns on that site. Supposedly they had full access to his TomTom data, which I can almost guarantee did not happen though. No way RY hands that over unadulterated.
In honor of all your hard work I think you should ask for an advance copy of the report. You've done more work on this story than the supposed journalists!
You should - do it and report back on what the terms are or why they say no!
The Ulisters hate me. Other than the actual Laz, I've found them all to be lacking a sense of humor.
Surely there's a leaked copy by now?
Guys, I have it on good authority that the report concludes there was not enough evidence to find Rob Young guilty of cheating. They concluded that the LRC number crunching contained too many sources of error to override the benefit of a doubt.
They have a HR situation intertwined with all that.
And Ross Tucker is a PR hound of the greatest magnitude.
Rob ert Y. gets abused and gains nothing. Karma
RY isn't an employee. No HR issues. I see no reason for skins to seek publicity if they're going to clear RY; they know there will be outcry if they say he's not guilty.I think the best case for Rob is that they say they can't prove 100% he cheated due to missing data, but they sever ties with him due to lingering questions and lack of transparency. I just can't see them affirmatively clearing him given the missing data. He's a relative nobody with huge baggage. What do they gain from standing by him after all this?I think them releasing the data is smart. It will allow them to say they can't prove guilt, so they can avoid libel risk with their written conclusions, but will put all of the smoking guns out there for us to bring up to any reporters or future possible sponsors.
Kg fdjjff wrote:
They have a HR situation intertwined with all that.
And Ross Tucker is a PR hound of the greatest magnitude.
Rob ert Y. gets abused and gains nothing. Karma
I am excited to get all of the data... Tom Tom included I hope.
Now that the report is out im surprised they haven't taken his athlete page down.
https://www.skins.net/intl/blog/athletes-ambassadors/rob-young
How has a summary of this report not been published yet? It is 2016. Journalists, pick it up.
He's guilty and will be dropped by Skins in the next 48 hours.
They'll decide there wasn't clear evidence of cheating. His attempt was cut short by injury and they'll look forward to his future endeavours.
Simple as that.
There is no escape for RY
From a guy who publicly stated we need tighter rules for record attempts to so blatantly withhold, delete and alter data shows his true character. Nothing good he has ever done has had proof. Add to that his entire back story is full of lies.
It's how he went about this whole mess that shows everyone his true character. Nobody has asked him for proof before now....Letsrun users can be proud.
What ever the report says he is finished.
Skins is playing us. They're treating their customer base as second class to get some free ink. Booooo skins. Release the report as promised on the 30th, not Sunday. The goodwill you're getting from the investigation is disappearing with this game.