Fat hurts wrote:
Perch wrote:
Maybe you've never been in meetings of this type as a board member, military leader, etc but here's how they go if conducted by a good leader (and I think Obama probably handled it this way). The leader solicits input without giving away his/her opinion. Get honest advice, not "yes man" stuff. Discuss the pro and cons. Talk about a few what ifs. Get all ideas on the table. Debate. Leader adds his/her thoughts. More discussion. Go around the room, one person at a time and get their final answer, yes or no. Leader makes the final decision. Biden came through with a no. AND he was focused on politics. And let's remember that Gates once said Biden "has been wrong on every major policy decision" and Gates also said "I don't know" when asked if Biden would make a good President. And Obama said "Never underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up". Ben Rhodes, Obama’s former deputy national security adviser, said, “in the Situation Room, Biden could be something of an unguided missile”. This is the guy you're contorting yourself to defend? I guess you're just someone who supports the party line no matter what. And you can't bring yourself to admit "your guy" is incompetent.
Yes, I have served on various boards. I know how meetings go.
You can imagine how you think it went, but it's just your imagination. Everything that anyone has said about that meeting confirms that Biden only wanted to wait for more intelligence. He did not say "no" to the raid. The factcheck link you posted confirms that.
Actually everything in that link confirms Biden said NO. You can rationalize it however you want but ZERO people say Biden said yes. You really can’t admit the truth even in the face of overwhelming evidence, can you? Must be sad to be that desperate.