Charlie Kirk killed at campus event in Utah

Holy sh1t there are some brain washed idiots that frequent this site, if you actually believe there was ammunition engraved with "ideology" (whatever the f#$k) that means I have a bridge to sell you and I could totally break the 1500m world record right now. Just another big distraction from the Epstein files and other bullsh1t Trump administration attempting to get out of the news cycle from....

But the New York Times' reporting is in direct conflict with the WSJ's story, which was based on an anonymous source who also shared this information with Steven Crowder. That is a red flag. People are clearly in a huge rush to set the narrative before the shooter is caught and before the public sees any hard evidence. Poor journalistic standards being exercised by the WSJ.

From the NYT:

"According to a preliminary internal report circulated inside the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, federal and local officials recovered ammunition with the rifle that appeared to be engraved with statements “expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology.

But a senior law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the investigation cautioned that report had not been verified by A.T.F. analysts, did not match other summaries of the evidence, and might turn out to have been misread or misinterpreted. In fast-moving investigations, such status reports are not made public because they often contain a mixture of accurate and inaccurate information."

And that is such a massively easy false flag thing to do, means nothing.

Not true. At all. Apprantly Paul Pelosi is well known for his cruising behaviors. For quite a long time.

Yeah. The hasbarats have been busier on the site as of late. Constantly pushing for registration/censorship. As usual.

on 9/11 of all days people are falling for this

It's what brenton tarrant did

WHY IS THE MISLEADING THREAD TITLE STILL UP? IT IS WELL DOCUMENTED THAT THE ACCUSATION OF ENGRAVINGS TRANS AFFILIATION ON AMMUNITION WAS A MISTAKE.

Come on, guys. Try to be better. And certainly a reasonable person would understand that the confusion warranted some caution, at the very least!

And fwiw, the article noted above was posted some time ago and has been widely known.

link:

thetimes.com

Charlie Kirk shooting live: FBI releases image of person of interest

Katy Balls, Washington Editor | David Charter, Assistant Editor, US | Joshua Thurston | Tom Parfitt | Lara Spirit, Washington | Bevan Hurley

The agency has also recovered a bolt-action rifle it believes to be the weapon used to murder the Turning Point USA founder at a Utah university rally

Open link

The complete lack of self-awareness of the people cheering this on is wild. This will absolutely galvanize the right wing and a lot of centrists and lead directly to Vance 2028.

That's false, and this thread is about Charlie Kirk anyway. Did Charlie have a secret gay lover? That would explain the shooting. People don't shoot political pundits. But they shoot their lovers if they've been spurned.

Someone just murdered someone, is it so far fetch'd think that same person was also crazy enough to write ideology on ammunition?

Just because there is ideology on the ammunition doesn't mean that person represents ideology.

I'm not saying I believe it, but this literally just happened with Luigi

What if we find out a right wing person did this to stir the political landscape, will you believe it then?

Or they will look at actual history and run away from the violent right wing.

The man who targeted and killed Democratic state Rep Melissa Hortman was a Trump supporter.
The man who targeted the home of Dem Governor Josh Shapiro was a Trump supporter.
The men who wanted to hang Mike Pence on Jan 6th were Trump supporters.
The man who targeted and killed the son of Obama-appointed District Judge Esther Salas was a Trump supporter.
The man who tried to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and assaulted her husband was a Trump supporter.
The men who were convicted trying to kidnap Dem Governor Gretchen Whitmer were Trump supporters.
The man who sent pipe bombs to the homes of Obama and Biden was a Trump supporter.
The men and women who tried to overthrow the government of the United States on Jan 6were Trump supporters.
There is no equivalent or even similar list of Obama or Biden supporters who have carried out similar murders, attempted murders, or violent attacks.
Mehdi
The man who targeted and killed Democratic state lawmaker Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark in their home in Minnesota in June was a Trump supporter.
The man charged with the attempted assassination of Pennsylvania’s Democratic governor, Josh Shapiro, in April was a Trump supporter.
The man convicted of orchestrating a series of hootings at the homes of four Democratic elected officials in New Mexico in 2022 was a Trump supporter.
The man who tried to kidnap then Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and assaulted her husband, Paul, in 2022 was a Trump supporter.
The men who wanted to hang Mike Pence on Jan 6, 2021, were Trump supporters.
The man who killed the son of Obama-appointed District Judge Esther Salas in 2020 was a Trump supporter.
The men who were convicted of trying to kidnap Michigan’s Democratic governor, Gretchen Whitmer, in 2020 were Trump supporters.
The man who sent pipe bombs to the homes of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and other top Democrats in 2018 was a Trump supporter.
The man who killed left-wing activist Heather Heyer after driving his car into a crowd of counter-protesters in Charlottesville in 2017 was a Trump supporter.

On X: “This is a time when it would have been good to have an FBI whose leadership valued skill and competence in investigating cases over loyalty to the president.”

That’s always true. Just like, regardless of the reasoning, I’d have preferred greater competence in security at Mr. Trump’s campaign event in Butler PA, when the other guy was in charge.

Please! This is America. People will forget about this by the weekend because…football!

Guess who publicly called for the full release of the Epstein Files just two days ago?

Notice that we are not talking about the Epstein Files right now?

Interesting that Massie and MTG are not speaking about working with Epstein’s victims to release their list of creeps.

Lucky shot by some Antifa loving transgender shooter or a message for those thinking about turning on Orange Daddy?

I feel you, but free speech includes speech you don't agree with, and there is no better example than people celebrating death and destruction without any apparent self-awareness. "Free speech" here means tolerance, not the First Amendment. Tolerance, as my favorite redditor once said, "Is for people you *don't* agree with."

I'm amazed by how fast critical thinking skills go out the window in cases like this.

People are watching a video of a few seconds before the shot it is fired and are deciding that a guy is in on it (a "spotter") because he touched his hat.

Could he be in on it? Maybe. But we would need a lot more evidence than "he touched his hat."

If I watch any ten seconds of a person giving a speech, with several people or a crowd behind them, do we think we would see someone touch their hat? Or scratch an ear? Or salute or wave or clap or shrug or move their weight from their left to the right?

People move around. And in a group, someone is almost always moving.

And does a guy on a rooftop with a scope need a "hat toucher" to tell him when to shoot at a person that is seated and hardly moving?

They literally just murdered Kirk because of his speech.

Forgive us if we think your sudden interest in free speech rings a little hollow.

That looks like Luigi Mangione.